blackbloodtroll
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So, a medium PC, proficient with Whips, wielding a Large Scorpion Whip.
1) Is it a one-handed, or two-handed weapon?
2) Do you apply x1.5 strength to damage?
3) Can the classification of one-handed, or two-handed, be switched, if wielded as Whip, or Scorpion Whip, or is it static?
4) If enchanted with the Agile enchantment, does the weapon still allow you to use your dexterity for attack and damage?
| Maezer |
I wish I could remotely decipher what the intended with the scorpion whip.
1) A large version of what is normal a light weapon, would be a one handed weapon.
2) If you wield a one-handed weapon in two hands you get to add 1.5x your strength to damage, true.
Those I am pretty confident about. 3 and 4 this is what I go with.
3) My answer is yes. For my players if they wield a scorpion whip as a whip they get all of the whip properties (and none of the scorpion whip). So if wielded as a large whip it would be two-handed. If wielded as a Scorpion whip its one-handed.
4) First the Agile weapon property doesn't let you use your dexterity for your attack bonus it only affects the modifier to damage. But more to the point, when a large scorpion whip is wielded by a medium creature you cannot the agile property would cease to function because its not usable with weapon finesse. When wielded as a two handed whip to a medium creature the property would function.
| Drakkiel |
@BBT Honest question, no sarcasm here...but do you sit around and just look for crazy things to ask? or is it something that comes up in general convo with you and some friends or what?
Granted I personally find some of your question pointless, but sometimes (like in this case) its quite interesting.
Again no meanness or sarcasm here...just interested in what drives your questions
| Tarantula |
So, a medium PC, proficient with Whips, wielding a Large Scorpion Whip.
1) Is it a one-handed, or two-handed weapon?
Normal size is light, so it goes to one-handed.
2) Do you apply x1.5 strength to damage?
You can if you wield it in two hands. But one-handed you still only get 1x str.
3) Can the classification of one-handed, or two-handed, be switched, if wielded as Whip, or Scorpion Whip, or is it static?
Whips are normally one-handed, so a large whip would be two-handed. If you wanted to use the large scorpion whip as a large whip, it would have to be two-handed.
4) If enchanted with the Agile enchantment, does the weapon still allow you to use your dexterity for attack and damage?
Pre-req for agile is weapon finesse. Weapon finesse states:
"Benefit: With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls."So, due to not meeting the pre-reqs the agile property does not function for you.
| Tarantula |
If you want to use it as a whip, you must be wielding it in two hands. If you are using it as a scorpion whip, you can use it in one hand.
The time changes when you want to use the reach, nonlethal, disarm, or trip properties of the whip instead of the performance and 1d4 lethal properties of the scorpion whip.
I would say it has to be declared, but since letting go and re-gripping a two-handed weapon has been stated to be a free action, its not exactly a huge issue.
| Maezer |
At what point does it's classification from one-handed, to two-handed, change?
Does it count as both, at the same time?
Is it something that must be "declared"?
In my game you would have to declare it as a free action. Just like you have to declare if you are swinging a longsword with one hand or two hand. You can change pretty much at your whim. You just change the way you wield it so you get the extra 10' of reach and can trip, but do reduced damage.
Its classification changes when you make your declaration. It would never be both one-handed and two-handed at the same time.
For purposes of hit points or anything else targeting the weapon I consider it to have the property of the scorpion whip irregardless of how its wielded however.
blackbloodtroll
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Simply holding it with one, or two hands, does not change it's classification from one-handed, to two-handed, for the purposes of feats and abilities.
Wielding a Longsword with two hands does not make it a two handed weapon.
The concerns of the changes of classification apply to normal sized Scorpion Whip, from One-handed to Light.
| zagnabbit |
I think the Scorpion Whip was originally just a feat tax added to the regular Whip to allow lethal damage.
That tax was totally worth paying.
You lost 5' of reach though.
@BBT.
The idea of a 2 handed whip dealing 1.5 damage hurts my head. I was pretty good with bull whip tricks as a kid.
There is no real world advantage to using 2 hands. The additional length for a large whip would make it snag constantly.
Whips are like spears in that weapon size is kinda meaningless if you think about it.
It's never come up but I'd houserule whips to not be usable with Power Attack. And to take a to hit penalty for 2 handed use. I'd just kill the strength bonus on damage all together.
Given equal skill; a whip wielded by a 9 year old girl would do the same damage as Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime. It's about speed and precision not strength.
Yes I know, I'm of no help to you here. 8)
| Tarantula |
So, this could be used in Spell Combat, then with the Overhand Chop ability?
No, Spell Combat is a full-round action. Overhand Chop uses an attack action or charge. You can't take a full-round action and an "attack action" in the same round. Same reason you can't charge and vital strike in the same round.
blackbloodtroll
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blackbloodtroll wrote:So, this could be used in Spell Combat, then with the Overhand Chop ability?No, Spell Combat is a full-round action. Overhand Chop uses an attack action or charge. You can't take a full-round action and an "attack action" in the same round. Same reason you can't charge and vital strike in the same round.
I meant one after the other. Not on the same turn.
| Tarantula |
Tarantula wrote:I meant one after the other. Not on the same turn.blackbloodtroll wrote:So, this could be used in Spell Combat, then with the Overhand Chop ability?No, Spell Combat is a full-round action. Overhand Chop uses an attack action or charge. You can't take a full-round action and an "attack action" in the same round. Same reason you can't charge and vital strike in the same round.
Sure. The same way you could spell combat with a 1-handed weapon on one turn, and the next turn hold it in 2 hands to get 150% str bonus on the damage.