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I have no idea why people are so paranoid about being attacked when their doing non violent things. From everything we have heard so far, attacking a guilds city (The only really sensible place to hold one) is a no small thing.
While the Wedding Guild would be more than happy to organize an event within a Settlement for anyone, it is not the only sensible place for such a ceremony.
Perhaps two frontier farmers wish to celebrate their love at their farm. It is quite possible that a nearby Escalation would try to interrupt their special day. Escalations are inconsiderate like that.
Indeed. And if a couple wishes to be married away from their settlement/s, for whatever reason, I think we'd be happy to ensure their safety wherever they choose. After all, not everybody in those settlements will necessarily be very friendly.
I kind of like the last one. I also kind of like the simplicity of The Wedding Guild, though. ;)
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The Wedding Guild is a little too on the nose. Like I said, this is a setting with groups like The Aspis Consortium, The Pathfinder Society, and The Hellknight Order of the Nail.
Grandiose names are the norm. Sure, you could be like the other professional guilds (The Cooper's Guild, The Tanners Guild, etc.), OR you could be The Order of the Sacred Bond (Sacred Union? Sacred Pact?). Lots of ideas more fun than The Wedding Guild.
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We'll want to get a scribe to create contracts, to establish rules about dowry (if any), discuss rules on divorce and remarriage ("till death do us part" isn't really going to cut it in PFO), and hopefully find a group to create wedding outfits.
I can help you out with what the vows can look like:
"I, Grombol Eater of Gnomes, take you, Ymrilda the Unwashed, to be my wife. I promise to be true to you during RP sessions and on the forums, in PvE and in PvP. I will love you and honor you all the days of server uptime."
"You have declared your consent before the server. May Ryan Dancey in his goodness strengthen your consent and fill you both with his blessings. What the Internet has joined, griefers must not divide. GLHF."
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I still love Ming's vows from Flash Gordon:
Priest: Do you, Ming the Merciless, Ruler of the Universe take this Earthling, Dale Arden to be your Empress of the hour?
Ming: (pause) of the hour, Yes.
Priest: Do you promise to use her as you will?
Ming: (pause, then very slyly) Certainly!
Priest: Not to blast her into space?
Ming: (silence)
Priest: ....Until such time as you get the whim....?
Ming: I do.
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Why limit yourself to weddings? Agreements for all kinds of alliances, etc... might like a formal ceremony also.
Well, I wasn't aware we were headed in a general 'contract' direction.
The Wedding Guild is a little too on the nose. Like I said, this is a setting with groups like The Aspis Consortium, The Pathfinder Society, and The Hellknight Order of the Nail.
But those are grandiose groups. The reason I thought "The Wedding Guild" was kinda funny is that it's so much less dramatic--a fitting name for a neutral order.
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@Kobold Cleaver
Why limit yourself to weddings? Agreements for all kinds of alliances, etc... might like a formal ceremony also.
Well, I wasn't aware we were headed in a general 'contract' direction.
The Wedding Guild is a little too on the nose. Like I said, this is a setting with groups like The Aspis Consortium, The Pathfinder Society, and The Hellknight Order of the Nail.But those are grandiose groups. The reason I thought "The Wedding Guild" was kinda funny is that it's so much less dramatic--a fitting name for a neutral order.
Not physical contracts. I mean settlements/nations may want to have some grand ceremony or something to jazz up the signing of an alliance agreement, peace treaty, heck even ceremonial surrenders... You guys could be the organizers of such venues.
And a marriage is a contract anyway. Is it not?
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Jolt and I prefer The Order of the Sacred Bond (colloquially known as the Wedding Guild), and I personally love the idea of our group organizing grand ceremonies. We are working on a charter now.
May I suggest that your byname be The Handfasters? It has a better ring to it than "The Wedding Guild".
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You realize why Big Tough Guys cry at weddings right?
It's 3 days later and the question wasn't addressed to me, but I'll bite.
Why do Big Tough Guys cry at weddings, Bringslite?
It's not a joke. I just want to know why I always cry at weddings. Was hoping he knew....
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@Defiante1 First of all welcome to the forum. I don't think that anyone noticed that you are fairly new. :)
With a world full of rangers, elves, druids, etc... I bet there will be many that like the idea of a wilderness wedding.
If they choose to ask guests to leave weapons at home, that will be a high risk with a low consequence. There will be plenty of spell casters around. You can't lose what you are not carrying. Most bandits will respect wedding gatherings (I hope). Even if killed it can be resumed in a short time.
If something does happen, won't that be a great story to tell in the taverns?
The point is that, hopefully, there will be a community of players (very low in griefers) that is not afraid to go outdoors and do things that may lead to interesting and exciting times.
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Why limit yourself to weddings? Agreements for all kinds of alliances, etc... might like a formal ceremony also.
Well, I wasn't aware we were headed in a general 'contract' direction.
The Wedding Guild is a little too on the nose. Like I said, this is a setting with groups like The Aspis Consortium, The Pathfinder Society, and The Hellknight Order of the Nail.But those are grandiose groups. The reason I thought "The Wedding Guild" was kinda funny is that it's so much less dramatic--a fitting name for a neutral order.Not physical contracts. I mean settlements/nations may want to have some grand ceremony or something to jazz up the signing of an alliance agreement, peace treaty, heck even ceremonial surrenders... You guys could be the organizers of such venues.
And a marriage is a contract anyway. Is it not?
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with that. I was just being kinda tired and disconcerted. :P
I also don't mind the Order of the Sacred Bond--like I said, I like it. I was just sticking up for my own much more brilliant and imaginative name. ;D
And I wholeheartedly agree--wilderness weddings look nice and can be more 'interesting'. A glorious battle early on is good for the marriage! As my character's people say, "If any one objects to the union of these two people, speak now and forever rest in pieces."
I was thinking that just weddings alone might not find much business, yeah. Like I said, though, I was being tired and disconcerted. :P
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@Bringslite I hope we can do more than just weddings, too. If we track official weddings, (allowing, hopefully, for people to RP common-law marriages if they so choose), we're the logical choice for Divorces. Also, I really love the idea of us organizing big events for various groups, but so far no Settlement officials have commented here if they'd like that. We'll probably put it in the charter and see if they like it.
I think weddings alone might be slow during EE, but when OE gets off the ground, that alone might keep us quite busy. We only need 2 people at a time out of thousands to want one "on the books."
I hope we get at least one EE alliance built through diplomatic marriage. Fun RP opportunity (who do you invite? Who do you snub?) and would set a nice precedent.
Here in Texas, you need a legal divorce for a common-law marriage; what do y'all think of that mechanic for Golarion?
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The more options there are, the better, as far as I'm concerned.
I love the diplomatic marriage idea - it ties into what I think of as social PvP (rather than combat PvP), which is what I'm most interested in.
I'd also like to see festivals develop: religious (could spark inter-settlement disputes over the proper date and way to celebrate?), local "patriotic" (Settlement Day, etc.), seasonal, you name it. This is only tangentially related to the Wedding Guild, of course... but festivals usually do have a musical and/or ceremonial component to them.
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Settlements will have to consider some mechanical issues. Take player housing, for example, whenever it gets implemented. If a person who lives in Settlement A marries a person on the KoS list, do they whitelist that person or risk having a seneschal move out? (I'm pretty sure this will occur eventually, as the RP effects would be too fun to resist forever.)
Festivals (and other player-built events) would be pretty beneficial to settlements, actually. As in real life, they'd bring lots of business to the cleverer merchants. And to the bandits watching, of course.
Oh, and Cartomancer, such a marriage would give us a bit of extra work. What happens if, say, the bride's CC decides to do what it can to stop the wedding?
These are the sort of questions that get me excited about being part of a wedding guild. ;D
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@Kobold Cleaver That makes me think of the Morrowind book, The Wraith's Wedding Dowry. Tons of fun, maybe even something TSV would be interested in documenting?
And as for what we'll do in those situations, well, you're the head of Security, so I'm sure you'll come up with something. Maybe I can do something Diplomatic in the guild to make the CC happy? Maybe you could plan a special pre-wedding reception for any angry CCs? Lots of free wine... (I hope being drunk will have an effect on combat ability.)
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There is a precedent, recorded on YouTube, for a ceremony being interrupted by a hostile guild. If I recall correctly, I believe it was actually an in-game funeral for a character after the player had died out-of-game. Clearly griefing behavior, to me, but a security detail would have been handy in that case. I'll see whether I can dig up the video.
Edit: It actually happened several times in WOW, not just once.
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There is a precedent, recorded on YouTube, for a ceremony being interrupted by a hostile guild. If I recall correctly, I believe it was actually an in-game funeral for a character after the player had died out-of-game. Clearly griefing behavior, to me, but a security detail would have been handy in that case. I'll see whether I can digg up the video.
That sounds like griefing behavior to me, too. I hope they were shunned afterward.
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There is a precedent, recorded on YouTube, for a ceremony being interrupted by a hostile guild. If I recall correctly, I believe it was actually an in-game funeral for a character after the player had died out-of-game. Clearly griefing behavior, to me, but a security detail would have been handy in that case. I'll see whether I can dig up the video.
Edit: It actually happened several times in WOW, not just once.
WoW is a pretty drastically different game in several mechanics.
1. The us vs them mentality is permanent, heck the game itself intentionally prevents any form of in game communication between the 2 sides, is there any real surprise that players are likely to forget that the players on the other side are actual humans? Compare that to eve, and the blueprints for PFO, of which no matter what, cease fires, treaties etc... You don't just keep wasting resources fighting an enemy that remains an enemy, never goes down in strength etc... The losing side either strikes a deal to work with the side that took over, or moves somewhere far away.
2. The PVP is meaningless and consequences. OK so you tick off the community. First off you are unkillable by people on your "side" regardless of if your actions in doing something like that are so sickening 80% of your side hates you. So now you are KoS to the bulk of your enemy side... Well again the us vs them, you've been KoS to all of them anyway, it's nothing new, and you lose nothing when you die anyway. Compare that to PFO and eve, where if you upset the majority... you lose access to settlements/territories, your selection of ships or armor options are now limited, as well you are going through ships like crazy, because ANYONE who knows and hates what you've done, can and will kill you.
3. NPC guards, not just minor annoyances. Not sure about now, but back when I played WoW in vanilla days, a team of 20 bored alliance members or so, traveling to the heart of orgrimmar, wasn't uncommon. The defenses were intended to be minor slowdowns, the cost of waging war against a city, and basically walking into the center, was designed to be a joke. PFO is talking defenses that take hundreds to tear down in player cities... and marshals that are by definition unbeatable and able to freeze you in NPC areas.
Sure you hear of this kind of garbage in WoW, but look into the sandbox PVP world. Eve is largely viewed as a dark, angry community, full of gankers, defending the rights of scammers etc... Look at what happened when vilerat died, Vilerat was a member of goonswarm, a group known for the worse level of ruthlessness etc... with no shortage of enemies. When vilerat died, quite a few details of ceremonies, memorials etc... being put up in his honor. I didn't hear a single report of any noteworthy sabatoge etc... of these memorials. No group with the power to consider such and the heartlessness to want to do such, could also be stupid enough not to know the ramifications of such an act.
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Eve is largely viewed as a dark, angry community, full of gankers, defending the rights of scammers etc... Look at what happened when vilerat died, Vilerat was a member of goonswarm, a group known for the worse level of ruthlessness etc... with no shortage of enemies. When vilerat died, quite a few details of ceremonies, memorials etc... being put up in his honor. I didn't hear a single report of any noteworthy sabatoge etc... of these memorials. No group with the power to consider such and the heartlessness to want to do such, could also be stupid enough not to know the ramifications of such an act.
For those who may not be aware, Vilerat was an EVE Online character played by a member of the US Embassy staff in Benghazi, Libya, who was killed on September 11th last year. Vilerat was a diplomat for Goonswarm in-game, and was well known to their members, friends, enemies, and occasional targets.
At the time, I was a member of a Corporation (guild) in EVE that was part of TEST Alliance (a group of Corporations with long-term friendly ties to Goonswarm). After his death, TEST Alliance changed the name of every space station under their control (dozens, maybe >100) to refer to Vilerat in one way or another.
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I just want to know why I always cry at weddings. Was hoping he knew....
The meaning of your heart's desire is for you to behold and embrace: the tears are your tribute to what you worship and point toward your actual god. Some weep at weddings, some at their national anthem, some at a particularly profitable deal.
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I just want to know why I always cry at weddings. Was hoping he knew....The meaning of your heart's desire is for you to behold and embrace: the tears are your tribute to what you worship and point toward your actual god. Some weep at weddings, some at their national anthem, some at a particularly profitable deal.
If I cry at all those things, am I just a crybaby? Or am I just emotionally unstable?
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As I previously stated, the Pax Mercatorum would be happy to host The Order of the Sacred Bond.We would be happy for Pax Mercatorum to sponsor The Order of the Sacred Bond. PM me to discuss the details, please.
@cartomancer, would you like me to list this thread as a Guild Recruitment thread? Or do you want to make a separate thread to officially announce The Order of the Sacred Bond?
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@Nihimon A separate thread, please. We are still working out the details, and not yet to the point of recruitment.
As an aside, for Jolt's first posts on the forums, they are having a great reception. :)
Not surprising. It's a great idea, Jolt's enthusiastic, and there are enough roleplayers among us that we love immersive ideas.
Now I just have to figure out how to split time between my regular gaming group (the Crowdforger guild, which fortunately will only be once a week), the main RP character I really, really want to play (Deianira), AND the quirky gnome bard Jolt's inspired me to make. Plus, you know, real life and stuff.
And here I thought I could keep my alt-itis under control this time!
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Eve is largely viewed as a dark, angry community, full of gankers, defending the rights of scammers etc... Look at what happened when vilerat died, Vilerat was a member of goonswarm, a group known for the worse level of ruthlessness etc... with no shortage of enemies. When vilerat died, quite a few details of ceremonies, memorials etc... being put up in his honor. I didn't hear a single report of any noteworthy sabatoge etc... of these memorials. No group with the power to consider such and the heartlessness to want to do such, could also be stupid enough not to know the ramifications of such an act.For those who may not be aware, Vilerat was an EVE Online character played by a member of the US Embassy staff in Benghazi, Libya, who was killed on September 11th last year. Vilerat was a diplomat for Goonswarm in-game, and was well known to their members, friends, enemies, and occasional targets.
At the time, I was a member of a Corporation (guild) in EVE that was part of TEST Alliance (a group of Corporations with long-term friendly ties to Goonswarm). After his death, TEST Alliance changed the name of every space station under their control (dozens, maybe >100) to refer to Vilerat in one way or another.
Please read all references to "Vilerat" as "Vile Rat". Oops.
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If I cry at all those things, am I just a crybaby? Or am I just emotionally unstable?I just want to know why I always cry at weddings. Was hoping he knew....The meaning of your heart's desire is for you to behold and embrace: the tears are your tribute to what you worship and point toward your actual god. Some weep at weddings, some at their national anthem, some at a particularly profitable deal.
Neither, some people are just more outwardly emotional than others, that is unless you needlessly dramatize things. :p
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..or possibly you need to check your blood glucose. Low blood sugar (hypoglycemia, which may be symptomatic of impending diabetes: check with your physician) can lead to greater emotionalism than is normal for you. Low levels of some hormones or high levels of others can also induce abnormal emotionalism.
But maybe your natural state is simply sensitive? There is nothing wrong with it: I find myself weeping at meaningful moments myself.
Then again... I'm normally abnormal.
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We now have an official recruitment thread here! Yay! Everyone feel free to stop by and say hi!
Also, we're ready to start taking requests.