Touch attacks and equipment bonuses


Rules Questions


Would an enchanted weapon give a bonus to touch and ranged touch attacks. If not is there an item that could do such?

Scarab Sages

Yes, if the attack were made with the weapon.

Example: guns.


Ok now what about with spells? For examplle scorching ray or vampiric touch.


wolfen wrote:
Ok now what about with spells? For examplle scorching ray or vampiric touch.

Are you asking if a +1 dagger will make you more likely to hit with a ray or touch spell? Not normally, no, because you're not attacking someone with the magic dagger, you're attacking them with a ray or with a touch.

If you have some special ability, feat, item, or effect that specifically says so, then it'll be whatever it says.


Doesn't work, except for the spellslinger.


Assuming you mean that you're playing a magus and using your scimitar to deliver a touch spell, then yes, you'd get the weapon bonuses etc. It's also worth noting that when you use a weapon to deliver a touch spell with a magus, you're rolling to hit against the target's regular AC, whereas when you simply deliver the touch spell "bare handed" you're rolling against Touch AC, which is usually lower (and never higher, as far as I know).

So the weapon bonuses count, but the target's AC is better.

Edit: Raising your Strength and/or Dexterity would help your rolls to hit in melee and ranged attacks, respectively. Also, there are a number of situational bonuses that you can angle for. Flanking with a buddy in melee will get you a +2 to hit (or +4 if you and your buddy both have the Outflank feat), charging into melee will get you a bonus +2 to hit, but you take -2 to AC for that round. If the target is on the ground (prone) they get a -4 penalty to AC against melee attacks but they also get a +4 to AC against ranged attacks. If you want to become more accurate with "ray" spells, you are allowed to take the "Weapon Focus" feat and pick "ray" as your "weapon", that get's you a +1 to hit with any and all "ray" spells (a spell counts as a "ray" spell if it is described as "ray" in its description).


See J1 - Entombed with the Pharaohs module for a "Wand Rifle" that gives a bonus to hit on ranged touch. Written for 3.5 fwiw.


FrinkiacVII wrote:
Touch AC, which is usually lower (and never higher, as far as I know).

I believe it's mathematically impossible for touch to be higher since your dex bonus is already taken into account for ac and touch is just ac - armor bonus.


It would be possible I guess if a bonus to touch AC (and only touch AC) existed. But it's not the case.

And as Armor bonus can't be negative (it's a bonus), then it is indeed impossible for Touch AC to be superior to normal AC.


Avh wrote:
It would be possible I guess if a bonus to touch AC (and only touch AC) existed. But it's not the case.

Ghost Rager (Su): "While raging, the barbarian deals normal damage to incorporeal creatures even when using nonmagical weapons. She also gains a morale bonus to touch AC equal to her saving throw bonus from her superstition rage power."


Grick wrote:
Avh wrote:
It would be possible I guess if a bonus to touch AC (and only touch AC) existed. But it's not the case.

Ghost Rager (Su): "While raging, the barbarian deals normal damage to incorporeal creatures even when using nonmagical weapons. She also gains a morale bonus to touch AC equal to her saving throw bonus from her superstition rage power."

Good vs incorporeals and gunslingers. I need to study up on the barbarian.

Scarab Sages

pocsaclypse wrote:
FrinkiacVII wrote:
Touch AC, which is usually lower (and never higher, as far as I know).
I believe it's mathematically impossible for touch to be higher since your dex bonus is already taken into account for ac and touch is just ac - armor bonus.

Some time back a player posted a scenario he encountered that resulted in his touch AC becoming higher than his normal AC.

I don't remember the circumstances, but nobody could find any rules violations. I do recall it involved a barbarian.

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