Is there a way to have two familiars?

[seebs]

Nevermind whether it's a good use of resources. I know there's a lot of weird feats floating around that I've never noticed. And a recent thread caused me to discover that faerie dragons are now on the Improved Familiar list. And the thing is, a faerie dragon is a straight upgrade from a pseudodragon; it's just plain better in multiple ways. But I am not about to give up my lovely pet.

Strictly speaking, of course, you don't need a faerie dragon to be a "familiar" to justify it hanging out with you, you just need to be a regular source of amusing anecdotes and opportunities to do fun things, and perhaps food. But some of the familiar bennies would be pretty nice.

EDIT: Come to think of it. Any clue what it would likely cost to get a faerie dragon egg? I think 3E used to have pricing for things like "eggs of really strange animals" but I can't find any in PF.

[Hawktitan]

By RAW I don't think so.

Typically if someone wanted a familiar that didn't already have one - skill focus and eldritch heritage along with the appropriate charisma stat would be the primary way to get it.

I personally don't see it as game breaking if you want to spend your feats and stat points to grant a second familiar, but that would be a house rule.

[seebs]

Yeah, I haven't found anything. I've found familiar-modifying feats, but not extra-familiar ones.

Ultimate Equipment lists a pseudodragon at 200gp. I am not sure what a faerie dragon would cost. I'd guess more than that for an egg, less than that for an actual living faerie dragon, because keeping one of those would SUCK. Ransom of Red Chief, anyone?

[Pupsocket]

Probably not. All the abilities that grant familiars reference the wizard class feature, which states that levels in different classes granting a familiar all stack.

I did just discover that taking a familiar as a class feature and then Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) let's you double-count your levels. Using Theologian, you can get Scry On Familiar at level 7 (lvl 4 with an Infiltrator familiar).

[ohako]

In the 3.5 ravenloft book there was a prestige class that got a special raven 'harrier', that looked awfully like a familiar.

The only problem was, to qualify as a wizard you had to be level 10. And after that point, you started getting cleric spells.

I suppose if you were playing in a gestalt game, you could go Wiz/Clr, then swap out cleric once you got to the prestige class. I think a gestalt Wiz20/ClrX/RPrCX with two raven buddies, named Odin, would be thematic.

And that's really all I got.

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

There's a third-party feat in Advanced Feats: The Witch's Brew called Extra Familiar.

[Lincoln Hills]

I was about to bring up using simulacrum on a familiar, but now I see that you want two specific, different familiars.

So I'll just facetiously suggest feeding a faerie dragon a philter of love and making sure your pseudo-dragon is the first thing it sees.

[seebs]

Huh.

Okay, ruling question (I don't have that book yet so I can't see whether they answer it): If you took "Extra Familiar", and you had Improved Familiar, would you expect that to let you have two improved familiars, or would improved familiar modify only one familiar, and you need to take it again to get the other?

[Dragonchess Player]

A migrus locker.

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

seebs wrote:

Huh.

Okay, ruling question (I don't have that book yet so I can't see whether they answer it): If you took "Extra Familiar", and you had Improved Familiar, would you expect that to let you have two improved familiars, or would improved familiar modify only one familiar, and you need to take it again to get the other?

I don't think it mentions it. I'd probably make you take Improved Familiar twice. Your GM may rule differently though.

[Hawktitan]

Technically I don't think you CAN take it twice. Most feats you can only take once unless it states otherwise.

[judas 147]

seebs wrote:

Nevermind whether it's a good use of resources. I know there's a lot of weird feats floating around that I've never noticed. And a recent thread caused me to discover that faerie dragons are now on the Improved Familiar list. And the thing is, a faerie dragon is a straight upgrade from a pseudodragon; it's just plain better in multiple ways. But I am not about to give up my lovely pet.

Strictly speaking, of course, you don't need a faerie dragon to be a "familiar" to justify it hanging out with you, you just need to be a regular source of amusing anecdotes and opportunities to do fun things, and perhaps food. But some of the familiar bennies would be pretty nice.

EDIT: Come to think of it. Any clue what it would likely cost to get a faerie dragon egg? I think 3E used to have pricing for things like "eggs of really strange animals" but I can't find any in PF.

I don´t know for sure, but what i did was a magus-druid/shadowdancer!!

Improved Familiar (pseudodragon)+Animal Companion (wolf)+Summon Shadow

i just want to let you know XD

[Raisse]

It's not actually a familiar, but a level of Diabolist could give you an Imp Companion, that you could have in addition to an Imp Improved Familiar.

[Avianfoo]

While a PC can't directly have 2 familiars, however you could have a Beast Bond witch (UM) which gives her familiar some feats, which in turn could be used to give the familiar, a familiar with Eldrich Heritage feats.

[Hawktitan]

Avianfoo wrote:

While a PC can't directly have 2 familiars, however you could have a Beast Bond witch (UM) which gives her familiar some feats, which in turn could be used to give the familiar, a familiar with Eldrich Heritage feats.

Huh.... Why do I love this idea.

[Avianfoo]

Hawktitan wrote:

Avianfoo wrote:

While a PC can't directly have 2 familiars, however you could have a Beast Bond witch (UM) which gives her familiar some feats, which in turn could be used to give the familiar, a familiar with Eldrich Heritage feats.

Huh.... Why do I love this idea.

Because it says "I am so powerful, even my familiar has a familiar." XD

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

Raisse wrote:

It's not actually a familiar, but a level of Diabolist could give you an Imp Companion, that you could have in addition to an Imp Improved Familiar.

I'm playing a character like this. It's interesting so far.

[Hawktitan]

Avianfoo wrote:

Hawktitan wrote:

Avianfoo wrote:

While a PC can't directly have 2 familiars, however you could have a Beast Bond witch (UM) which gives her familiar some feats, which in turn could be used to give the familiar, a familiar with Eldrich Heritage feats.

Huh.... Why do I love this idea.

Because it says "I am so powerful, even my familiar has a familiar." XD

I looked into this a little. It seems like it is RAW legal and completely doable by level 7. No Farie Dragon and Psuedodragon though, but it does look like a Farie Dragon could get a Celestrial Hawk.