Alignment and choosing a god as a bard


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My group is wanting to do an evil campaign, but I refuse to do evil (I'm normally CG & don't like leaving my comfort zone), the closest I will go is neutral/CN, preferably CN. I like the goddess Sarenrae, though... and she is NG. Does a bard HAVE to be in the alignment step of her god? Especially since I would like to get that spell, flame blade, offered to followers of certain classes of Sarenrae.

Sovereign Court

Bards usually have no alignment restrictions. May vary for archetypes though.

But if your group really wants to play an evil campaign, I don't think this is gonna work out well.

Silver Crusade

Ascalaphus wrote:

Bards usually have no alignment restrictions. May vary for archetypes though.

But if your group really wants to play an evil campaign, I don't think this is gonna work out well.

Thank you very much! ^.^ I wasn't sure if there would be or not.

Sarenrae is a very forgiving god, though. She will work with evil gods, mostly in hopes of converting them to being good. As long as they don't commit atrocious acts.
Example.... In my last campaign, I was an elven cleric/bard (forced cross-classing due to story-line) of Sarenrae. I forgave my wizard companion (CE) all his sins, until the moment he killed a good natured monk in cold blood. And not just killed... Tortured.. The monk had a broom handle shoved up his *cough* a candlestick sticking out of his rotund stomach, forks, a smoking pipe, and various other objects forcibly shoved into his body. It was at that point I attacked him with all the holy vengeance at my disposal. Sadly.. at lvl 2 cleric/1 bard, the lvl 3 wizard almost kicked my arse. Fortunately his LE warrior buddy chose to remain neutral and stopped the fight. My cleric/bard then departed the party swearing in silent promise to find him later and take his life for the vicious, needless death of a good man with a heart larger than his very Chien-Po-like figure (Mulan).
Anyway... This current group normally goes lawful evil/nuetral evil, mostly because our DM isn't going to allow CE or LG alignments.


You don't have to be within one step of your god unless your a cleric or inquisitor, or playing in PFS, or if your GM likes it that way. You may not follow their rules perfectly(or at all really...) but there's no divine intervention for you doing so. You might want to look at other gods if you go CN and see if there's something else you might like out of the ridiculous number of gods you can worship. There is a Saranrae worshipping bard archetype that I think does have an alignment restriction(Dawnflower Dervish).

I should note you can be evil without being a sociopath or doing anything brutal to good characters for no real reason.

It doesn't sound like your comfort zone clashes well with this group if their intentions are to play characters who go out of their way to do things like that. This is an OOC issue that may need to be addressed in a different manner altogether.

Edit:
The last group I was in that decided to let an evil character in and do wanton evil, specifically against my OOC wishes I left myself. Sometimes its just not a good fit unfortunately.

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MrSin wrote:
You don't have to be within one step of your god unless your a cleric or inquisitor

Or Paladin.


Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
MrSin wrote:
You don't have to be within one step of your god unless your a cleric or inquisitor
Or Paladin.

Only in PFS.

Liberty's Edge

Paladins, as I recall, don't necessarily need to worship a specific deity, even in PFS. Most of them just revere "the powers of good" in a general sense.


Gnoll Bard wrote:
Paladins, as I recall, don't necessarily need to worship a specific deity, even in PFS. Most of them just revere "the powers of good" in a general sense.

Double check your guide to PFS play. They call out paladins as requiring a diety and Clerics of an ideal are a no go.


Just go with Neutral. It's closer to what you say the group's alignment cluster will be, and it's quite close to Sarenrae too.

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MrSin wrote:

You don't have to be within one step of your god unless your a cleric or inquisitor, or playing in PFS, or if your GM likes it that way. You may not follow their rules perfectly(or at all really...) but there's no divine intervention for you doing so. You might want to look at other gods if you go CN and see if there's something else you might like out of the ridiculous number of gods you can worship. There is a Saranrae worshipping bard archetype that I think does have an alignment restriction(Dawnflower Dervish).

I should note you can be evil without being a sociopath or doing anything brutal to good characters for no real reason.

It doesn't sound like your comfort zone clashes well with this group if their intentions are to play characters who go out of their way to do things like that. This is an OOC issue that may need to be addressed in a different manner altogether.

** spoiler omitted **

Thank you. ^.^ And yes, the wanton evil acts drive me nuts, but he's toned it down a lot since, thankfully. I still plan on having my character shiv him in the back eventually... but currently my rogue wants the Chelaxian cleric dead more than the wizard. Mostly because the GM is allowing him to bring in more of his people and taking over our town (Kingmaker Campaign). I would quit the group... but I don't really have anyone else I could play with.

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Kittiri wrote:
My group is wanting to do an evil campaign, but I refuse to do evil (I'm normally CG & don't like leaving my comfort zone), the closest I will go is neutral/CN, preferably CN. I like the goddess Sarenrae, though... and she is NG. Does a bard HAVE to be in the alignment step of her god? Especially since I would like to get that spell, flame blade, offered to followers of certain classes of Sarenrae.

Quite frankly, no matter what you do, I suspect that you should consider sitting this campaign out. If your fellow players are that gung ho about doing an evil campaign, it may be that they're looking to cut loose WAY outside your comfort zone.

You may find yourself in the same position that The Tick found out when trying to infiltrate a Club For Villains.

"Prove that you're Evil.... Eat this kitten!"

The Exchange

If you do opt out, make it clear that you are in no way trying to 'hold the game hostage' or 'ruin our fun' - both accusations I've heard levied at folks who say that they're not interested in an evil campaign. Just ask to be alerted when the campaign is over and spend the next few weeks pondering character concepts for... whatever comes next. If it's any comfort, the shelf life of an 'evil campaign' is shorter on average than that of other campaigns. Sometimes much shorter.

A few years ago (here we go) I was roped into an evil campaign, and decided to follow along. The only 'evil' I find entertaining to portray is over-the-top, cartoonish evil: so I ran a character as dedicated to Lawful Evil's ideals as the typical paladin is to... you know... that other alignment's ideals. It was bad to batter a copper dragon into fleeing for its life and take its entire hoard to spend on evil things, but it was evil for its own sake to leave one silver piece. Despite amusing myself as best I could, it was three months' gaming that I'd rather have gotten a refund on.

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