Blood Money

[Undone]

Acedio wrote:

Let's not get off topic with yet another animate dead debate. How long it takes to generate stats for animated dead is not relevant to whether Blood Money should remain in the campaign.

I disagree. Blood money's primary use is to allow you to cast spells which have expensive material components. Animate dead is one of few expensive offensive spells. Most of the others are expensive restorative/curative/removal issues.

Either way I stand by my statement.

Blood money violates the rule of not allowing character wealth manipulation within society play.

[zanbato13]

Familiar with a Blood Money Wand + a spell you cast?

[Raisse]

Your familiar is not you, so still no.

[LazarX]

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

[zanbato13]

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

Actually, that's still under debate.

[LazarX]

zanbato13 wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

Actually, that's still under debate.

When does ANYTHING on this board ever leave debate?

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

LazarX wrote:

zanbato13 wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

Actually, that's still under debate.

When does ANYTHING on this board ever leave debate?

When debates end is questionable. :-)

[Jayder22]

I'm curious what the debate is actually. I didn't think there was a debate on if you lost the components of a spell if you were interrupted mid casting.

from the PRD:
If something interrupts your concentration while you're casting, you must make a concentration check or lose the spell. If you fail the check, you lose the spell just as if you had cast it to no effect.

If you cast blood money, than start casting Stoneskin using the blood money as component, and an enemy interrupts your cast with a reading action or you provoking and failing the concentration check, you lose the spell as if you had cast it to no effect. If you had cast the spell, the component would be used, so it is used up when interrupted.

Am I missing something?

[zanbato13]

Jayder22 wrote:

I'm curious what the debate is actually. I didn't think there was a debate on if you lost the components of a spell if you were interrupted mid casting.

from the PRD:
If something interrupts your concentration while you're casting, you must make a concentration check or lose the spell. If you fail the check, you lose the spell just as if you had cast it to no effect.

If you cast blood money, than start casting Stoneskin using the blood money as component, and an enemy interrupts your cast with a reading action or you provoking and failing the concentration check, you lose the spell as if you had cast it to no effect. If you had cast the spell, the component would be used, so it is used up when interrupted.

Am I missing something?

Oops, I misread the question.

Casting Blood Money and a spell that takes longer than a round, both start casting in the round, does Blood Money work?

That's the debate. Sorry!

[Professor Herp]

LazarX wrote:

zanbato13 wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

Actually, that's still under debate.

When does ANYTHING on this board ever leave debate?

The immeasurably small amount of time between the moment a question gets FAQ'd and the moment the new debate about the FAQ begins.

[Sebastian Hirsch]

Professor Herp wrote:

LazarX wrote:

zanbato13 wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

It's a bigger question than just this spell, of course. If I am trying to cast a spell with an expensive material component, and that spell takes, say, 10 minutes to cast, and I'm interrupted during the first round of casting, can I try again with the same material components?

Nope, with the interruption of casting, the components created by blood money disappear so you've lost the spell you've tried to cast, the components you've conjured to cast it, and you're left with the strength damage you've already taken.

Actually, that's still under debate.

When does ANYTHING on this board ever leave debate?

The immeasurably small amount of time between the moment a question gets FAQ'd and the moment the new debate about the FAQ begins.

I think this is actually a negative amount of time, since we are already quite skilled at discussing potential FAQs/Errata.