So lets says a Maneuver Master kicked a guy in the groin to sicken someone, and then jabbed them in the throat to sicken them as well. Is this legal to cause someone to become Nauseated?
I would say it is. If I were them, I would just be sickened. But I don't make the rules.
Its ultimately up to your GM but Dirty Trick does have this line
If your attack is successful, the target takes a penalty. The penalty is limited to one of the following conditions:
blinded, dazzled, deafened, entangled, shaken, or sickened.
and nauseated isn't on the list, but your GM might be cool with it
EDIT:Also a Dirty Trick isn't suppose to hamper someone that much, and if you had Greater Dirty Trick, it makes the opponent use a standard action to remove the affect. Nauseated people can only take a single move action, so they would stay that way for 1d4 rounds (+1 for every 5 you beat their CMD) which is a pretty bad combo for a maneuver thats not meant to be a insta-win if it hits
Well I figured, that sickened conditions stacked. So I would apply two sickened conditions.
Even if it worked, Dirty Tricks are specifically called out as penalties that can be overcome by spending a move action. So it doesn't seem to be a terribly good use of time when Blinded will give you almost the same thing for less actions.
Edit: Unless you had GDT, as above poster mentioned. Which would then put it in the realm of probably too good. There's also nothing in the general terminology of Sickened that automatically makes the condition stack into Nauseated. So I'm pretty sure the ability would have to specifically state that they could stack to produce Nauseated.
I'm having trouble finding a reference to Sickened stacking up to Nauseated.
Shaken definitely stacks to Frightened which stacks to Panicked, but while most people think of sickened being the lesser form of nauseated, I just don't see it any where in the rules that I'm looking at.
That's because the only chance of those rules existing is in some obscure location that no one would normally think to check.
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That's because the only chance of those rules existing is in some obscure location that no one would normally think to check.
...the Core Rulebook?
I checked under "conditions", since that's where it's stated that shaken, frightened, and panicked stack, and where fatigued and exhausted stack. It doesn't say anything about sickened stacking to nauseated, so I would take that to mean that they don't.
I don't know where else you're talking about, though.
That's because the only chance of those rules existing is in some obscure location that no one would normally think to check....the Core Rulebook?
I checked under "conditions", since that's where it's stated that shaken, frightened, and panicked stack, and where fatigued and exhausted stack. It doesn't say anything about sickened stacking to nauseated, so I would take that to mean that they don't.
I don't know where else you're talking about, though.
I think that was his point...