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Title says it pretty well I think. So does the proficiency from heirloom weapon qualify for Dervish Dancer? I would think so, but I'd like to ask what the RAW is on this.
Says it gives profiency in that weapon... Is it only for that one weapon and therefor doesn't qualify? Because thats highly illogical and profiency in one martial or simple weapon isn't worth a feat in itself.
Huh... Well thats rather lame and doesn't make much sense. I know how to use this scimitar but not this one.
Don't suppose there are any good ways to receive weapon proficiency then eh?
One that doesn't give proficiency in scimitars and is bad at multiclassing. Lets go with that.
Edit: its actually to see if a bard can nab dervish dance outside of archetypes.
Level dip or take the feat are the two best options. In very few cases a specific race/trait can help (Tengu, there may be others).
What would be a specific trait? I would think Heirloom weapon would count, but I'm being told otherwise. I'm proficient with scimitar... Not every scimitar in the world apparently, but at least one.
Without a dip, or feat, you are going to need money.
What is your size?
Medium. I never play small. Does it matter?
And the 1500 gold Ioun stone counts?
What would be a specific trait? I would think Heirloom weapon would count, but I'm being told otherwise. I'm proficient with scimitar... Not every scimitar in the world apparently, but at least one.
You're being told correctly about the trait you had a question on. You are proficient with your heirloom weapon, not every weapon like your heirloom.
As for the racial trait, look up the Tengu and their racial traits, the one that has to do with swords specifically. D20pfsrd for sure has it, PRD probably does (haven't looked there).
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Without a dip, or feat, you are going to need money.
What is your size?
Medium. I never play small. Does it matter?
And the 1500 gold Ioun stone counts?
You are talking about this?
Oh! Racial trait. Not trait. I know of Tengu. Not a big fan of playing a bird man myself.
You are talking about this?Without a dip, or feat, you are going to need money.
What is your size?
Medium. I never play small. Does it matter?
And the 1500 gold Ioun stone counts?
That I am. Why wouldn't heirloom weapon count. I'm not seeing it.
Bard, Human. And I can't say often enough that thats just wierd.
depending on whether or not you play PFS or a home game. ask if you can be allowed to dervish dance with a rapier or dagger without the scimitar requirement.
if golarion
just say Taldan Dueling Style or Mwangi Knife Fighting or some stuff like that. Minkan Nitto Ryu also works w/ dagger or wakazashi.
depending on whether or not you play PFS or a home game. ask if you can be allowed to dervish dance with a rapier or dagger without the scimitar requirement.
if golarion
just say Taldan Dueling Style or Mwangi Knife Fighting or some stuff like that. Minkan Nitto Ryu also works w/ dagger or wakazashi.
Of course! This is RAW though. Houserules are easy, depending on the GM. I like having a good RAW arguement though. Some GMs are strict about the setting/rules and don't take bribes.
I don't recognize Minkan Nitto Ryu. Is that a thing?
depending on whether or not you play PFS or a home game. ask if you can be allowed to dervish dance with a rapier or dagger without the scimitar requirement.
if golarion
just say Taldan Dueling Style or Mwangi Knife Fighting or some stuff like that. Minkan Nitto Ryu also works w/ dagger or wakazashi.
Of course! This is RAW though. Houserules are easy, depending on the GM. I like having a good RAW arguement though. Some GMs are strict about the setting/rules and don't take bribes.
I don't recognize Minkan Nitto Ryu. Is that a thing?
it is not official, but it is a japanese fighting style similar to a dervish that uses a wakazashi or dagger. mainly agility and precision. it is a good way to justify dervish dance with a wakazashi or dagger. just swap japan for minkai.
If you are a Bard, then why not just play a Dawnflower Dervish?
Thats what I'll be doing it looks like. I like to see my other options though.
Just spend the feat, or take EWP Aldori Dueling sword, (personal favourite)
May as well just not be a dervish dancer if I took that route. Which is a always an option of course. My favorite exotic weapon is sawtooth sabers myself, but thats not so good on a bard.
it is not official, but it is a japanese fighting style similar to a dervish that uses a wakazashi or dagger. mainly agility and precision. it is a good way to justify dervish dance with a wakazashi or dagger. just swap japan for minkai.
I might do that in another game. I like opening options up. Denying things out of fluff has is always a peeve of mine.
Well in the past they have said if can situationally qualify for a feat, then you can take a feat; just that you can only use it while you qualify. I would use that in your discussion with your DM.
I could also state rapiers and cutlasses have identical stats to the Scimitar. So does that mean I can use dervish dance but only with that scimitar? What if I use the Ioun stone? What if I sell the Ioun stone after...?
If you use the item you should qualify. If you sell the stone after, you still have the Dervish Dancer feat but can't use it anymore, till you get proficiency again (either with the stone or the feat)
By RAW I would agree that Heirloom Weapon is probably not enough, though if one of my players wanted to do it, I'd allow it.
Well technically rapier and scimitar have different stats, one is piercing the other slashing. So the whole "dance" doesn't work so well with a rapier.
However I'd allow a similar feat for it, if someone wanted to use it. Again that's houserule obviously.
Also, you can put the Agile enchantment on your weapon to get your Dex as damage, without any feat and works on any Finesse-able weapon. (though that costs 8k at least, unless you have some ability like a Magus or Paladin to simulate weapon abilities)
If you are a Bard, then why not just play a Dawnflower Dervish?
You get proficiency with the Scimitar, and Dervish Dance for free at first level.
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Dervish Dance is a great bard archetype if you want to want to fight more and buff less. Arcane Duelist is also a great archetype if you want to be a great melee dude and still keep the classic bard buffing abilities.