New Feats: Ki Wand, Ki Scroll, Ki Staff - Suggestions needed


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Hey everyone I created some custom feats that I want you guys to look at please give any input

Ki Wand

You have found a way to use your own Inner power to activate wands

Preqs: Use magic Device ( 5 Ranks), Ki Pool

Benefit: you gain a +2 bonus on use magic device when activating a wand. In addition when activating a wand you can spend a number of Ki points equal to the spell level of the wand instead of expending a charge

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KI Scroll

You can use the power of Ki to activate a scroll

Preqs: Use magic device (10 Ranks), Ki Wand, Ki pool

Benefit: You gain a +2 bonus on Use magic device when activation a scroll. In addition you can spend a number of Ki points equal to the Spell level +5 to use a scroll instead of using up the spell on scroll

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Ki Staff

You can now use Ki to power mighty staffs

Preqs: Use magic Device (15 Ranks), Ki wand, Ki Scroll, Ki pool

Benefit: You gain a +2 bonus on Use magic device when activating a Staff. In addition when activating a staff you can spend 10 Ki points to activate a staff without spending a charge, or add a Ki charge to the staff. The charge added by Ki disappears after one hour

Special: any charges added by Ki can only be used by the monk or a class with the Ki pool class feature

Well what do ya think any suggestion would be nice


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mmm with some input I'm thinking of adding so that using this feat takes a full round action

Plus with the Ki Staff feat the castor level of the spell Equals the Class With the Ki pool class feature


These look pretty cool, I might have to pilfer some of these ideas. Run a few playtests on them and let me know how they work for you, I will do the same.


Typhina Blightsworn wrote:
Special: any charges added by Ki can only be used by the monk or a class with the Ki pool class feature

I'd drop this. It's too much of a bother to keep track of, when a particular staff is used by both magic users and Ki-ists. Besides, the game has no mechanism for different kinds of charges or picking which charge to use. Add to that the possibility of expending multiple charges in a single use, and you're asking for trouble.

Given the stiff pre-reqs for Ki Staff, there does not need to be an additional limitation in its use anyway.

Looks great otherwise.


This would work great with a scroll-writing Archetype for monk that gets Ki Scroll as a bonus feat and the ability to scribe scrolls with UMD instead of Spellcraft.


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Thanks VRMH I'll edit that part out

Arkady Zelenka wrote:
These look pretty cool, I might have to pilfer some of these ideas. Run a few playtests on them and let me know how they work for you, I will do the same.

Cool let me know how it goes

Big Lemon - Yea this is going to be a part of an Archetype that these feats are going to be part of in the future


Not sure why Ki Scroll needs to have Ki Wand as a prereq, though. I don't see a balance need for it, and a wand requires more igold nvestment than scrolls, so it feels knd of backward.


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Big Lemon wrote:
Not sure why Ki Scroll needs to have Ki Wand as a prereq, though. I don't see a balance need for it, and a wand requires more igold nvestment than scrolls, so it feels knd of backward.

I figured because Scrolls seem more powerful because they can hold higher levels spells. But if need be it can be changed


Really I see them as more sideways: a monk could learn how to use a scrolls or he could learn how to use wands, but he doesn't have to master one to get to the other. Thinking about it as a player, I just want to use scrolls with my monk, and if I found these feats in a book I would ask my GM why I needed to have Ki Wand and if he could just wave that requirement.

Grand Lodge

Big Lemon hit my thoughts. Ki Scroll shouldn't have a ki wand requirement.

I feel these could burn your Ki pool quickly.

My issue with Ki Scroll is that, to use a 1st level scroll so that I do not have to spend it, is that I have to burn 6 ki points.

If I am a ninja...I'll just buy a new scroll.
However if I was a monk sensai...I would be taking these feats.

I do like them, but something bothers me with them. Let me digest for a bit and find out what it is.


Yeah the amount of ki points needed is an issue. A Monk will probably only have 8 ki points by 10th level (1/2 level is 5, plus a Wisdom mod of 3). Assuming a Wis focused monk, that's only 9. To prevent consuming a single 1st level scroll will cost almost all of it.

Personally, I'd scrap that part and instead allow the monk to scribe scrolls using UMD. I'd also lower the effective level requirement way way down., to 1st or 2nd level. It's a long time to wait if I want to play a monk that writes scrolls when every casting class can do it at level 1.


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ok so Giving Ki scroll the same preqs as Ki Wand

Preqs: Use magic Device ( 5 Ranks), Ki Pool

and changing the Ki cost to be the same as Ki wand

And will be taking out Ki scroll as a Preqs for Ki staff

hows that sound

Also Should I make it a Full-round action to use the feats or do ya think that a standard will do. I'm thinking Full-Round because your spending the time focusing your own energy to activate the item

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