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Hi everyone~ first time posting and I'm looking for an official ruling on this since I'm a little confuzzled by it @_@
Unluck Aura (Su) A pugwampi radiates an aura of unluck to a radius of 20 feet. Any creature in this area must roll two d20s whenever a situation calls for a d20 roll (such as an attack roll, a skill check, or a saving throw) and must use the lower of the two results generated. This is a mind-affecting effect that does not work on animals, other gremlins, or gnolls. Any character who gains any sort of luck bonus (such as that granted by a luckstone or divine favor) is immune to the pugwampi unluck aura.
Crafter’s Fortune
School transmutation; Level alchemist 1, sorcerer/wizard 1
Casting Time 1 standard action
Component V, S, F (a tool)
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature
Duration 1 day/level or until discharged (D)
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes (harmless)The target is struck by inspiration and gains a +5 luck bonus on its next Craft skill check.
Basically the question is can you use Crafter's Fortune to gain immunity to the pugwampi aura as long as you don't make a craft check? What's unclear is does the luck bonus from Crafter's Fortune "trigger" at the time you make the craft check, or is it in place until you make a craft check?
Thanks in advance for a response! Kisses xoxoxo
Would appear so, you have a luck bonus thats running until you make a craft check. I'd say different DMs would say different things at a glance, but ignoring Pugwambis saves you so much pain and suffering I'd be up for letting it work.
I would say it does not protect you from the aura. It doesn't say "gains a +5 bonus until it makes a craft check," it grants a bonus at the time of the check. The spell is still in effect the whole time, as per the duration, but you aren't getting the bonus until you need it. Sad, pugwampis are annoying.
1) The Crafter's Fortune is only for crafting skill checks, so it would not protect you from the pugwumpi aura in regards to anything but crafting.
2) If you attempted to craft in the proximity of a pugwumpi with this spell in affect, you would still have to make two rolls and take the worst. You would, however, have a +5 bonus on each roll.
1) The Crafter's Fortune is only for crafting skill checks, so it would not protect you from the pugwumpi aura in regards to anything but crafting.
2) If you attempted to craft in the proximity of a pugwumpi with this spell in affect, you would still have to make two rolls and take the worst. You would, however, have a +5 bonus on each roll.
Doesn't say it has to be a luck bonus to the same check does it?
Doesn't say it has to be a luck bonus to the same check does it?1) The Crafter's Fortune is only for crafting skill checks, so it would not protect you from the pugwumpi aura in regards to anything but crafting.
2) If you attempted to craft in the proximity of a pugwumpi with this spell in affect, you would still have to make two rolls and take the worst. You would, however, have a +5 bonus on each roll.
The target is struck by inspiration and gains a +5 luck bonus on its next Craft skill check.
(emphasis mine)
Could be me, but it sure seems like the bonus is for just one check...and it has to be a crafting skill check.
Yeah... but I meant the pugwambi's aura doesn't specify. The spell definitely works like that, but if you have the luck bonus until discharged it would negate the pugwambi's unluck aura if I read it right.
well, it isn't clear whether it means 'gain any luck bonus to the affected roll' or anything period,
but even the broadest interpretation there doesn't change that the spell doesn't cancel unluck:
As already mentioned, said luck bonus is not in effect for the full duration,
the spell effect is that when you make a skill check THEN you gain a luck bonus, not before.
if the pugwampi unluck happened to be used when making the skill check, it would be cancelled out by the luck bonus,
but otherwise it isn't affected by the spell running (and not granting a luck bonus).
the spell isn't really fundamentally different than contigency , which also wouldn't work to cancel the pugwampi unluck,
just because there is SOME contingency trigger which would cause a luck bonus spell to be cast...
unless you have ACTUALLY gained a luck bonus at the time of pugwampi unluck, there is no cancellation.
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The duration is "1 day/level or until discharged". The discharged part made me think that the bonus is ongoing until after you make a craft check.
That being said I have a hard time arguing against Lurk3r's reasoning. This is kind of confusing for me so I really appreciate you guys helping me think on it X_X
Hmm... I will concede that the spell will definitely counter the pugwumpi aura in regards to crafting.
I guess it depends on the GM. I don't know if it is in the spirit of the rules to allow a spell that is so specific like the Crafter's Fortune to counter a Super-natural ability for everything else. Then again, the pugwumpis are so damn annoying, I would definitely try it against my own GM just to see if he would fall for it.
EDIT: Just read Quandary's Contingency spell comparison, and go back to my original stance, that the spell is only in affect for the crafting check.
After a quick search you can find other ways to deal with the unluck aura. 2 of the races come with a luck bonus of their own as a racial trait you can pick and summoning animals/animal companions attack without penalty. Casters don't roll many D20s, they just make everyone else roll them. Especially witches.
I don't see it as a contingency myself.
Edit: No one loves pugwambis who has to deal with them. I don't know what spirit they were made of but it gone.
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May I segue into another question from here?
Would an item that provides an ongoing, albeit circumstantial luck bonus negate the pugwampi aura? Examples would be Cloak of Arachnida (luck bonus on fort saves vs poison) or Amulet of Bullet Protection (luck bonus to AC vs firearms)?
Thank you for your time~
May I segue into another question from here?
Would an item that provides an ongoing, albeit circumstantial luck bonus negate the pugwampi aura? Examples would be Cloak of Arachnida (luck bonus on fort saves vs poison) or Amulet of Bullet Protection (luck bonus to AC vs firearms)?
Thank you for your time~
As I read it yes, but I've been wrong before.