Buccaneer Bard Hilt Bash on Natural Weapons


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Scarab Sages

Would it work? I mean, it should... I guess mechanically it would seem weird, but the whole mechanic is weird, that you can have a slashing non-lethal damage. (Plus, if it is damage, even knock outs damage the brain permanently. I don no.)


It seems like it works for any and all weapons, by RAW.


Don't see why not. Fluff it how you like.

Blade of mercy trait can make all slashing damage non lethal at no penalty. I've seen people killed by it! Are you asking how non lethal works? Becuase it doesn't cause concussions.

Scarab Sages

mplindustries wrote:
It seems like it works for any and all weapons, by RAW.

What does RAW stand for? IDK, yet.

Scarab Sages

MrSin wrote:

Don't see why not. Fluff it how you like.

Blade of mercy trait can make all slashing damage non lethal at no penalty. I've seen people killed by it! Are you asking how non lethal works? Becuase it doesn't cause concussions.

Sure, I know how non-lethal works mechanically in the game. But I cannot see how it can work outside of the make belief.


Easy! You stab/slash/pound them in a non lethal spot/way. You go for the non vitals, if you brought it to the extreme with several machine guns you would fill them with more holes than a swiss cheese factory but you missed every organ in their body. They don't have to look too good, but they're fine!(so long as you didn't deal twice their HP total+con)


Vincent The Dark wrote:
mplindustries wrote:
It seems like it works for any and all weapons, by RAW.
What does RAW stand for? IDK, yet.

Rules as written, as opposed to RAI, Rules as Intended.

Scarab Sages

mplindustries wrote:
Vincent The Dark wrote:
mplindustries wrote:
It seems like it works for any and all weapons, by RAW.
What does RAW stand for? IDK, yet.
Rules as written, as opposed to RAI, Rules as Intended.

Thx.

Scarab Sages

MrSin wrote:
Easy! You stab/slash/pound them in a non lethal spot/way. You go for the non vitals, if you brought it to the extreme with several machine guns you would fill them with more holes than a swiss cheese factory but you missed every organ in their body. They don't have to look too good, but they're fine!(so long as you didn't deal twice their HP total+con)

I don't know about you, but blood is a vital organ in the body, and them holes bleed/leak. So, your brain and organs will starve of oxygen and energy/nutrients. There is no "non-lethal" defense in court. Unless we are talking about a minor scratch, witch is almost not damage, and forgivable.


Think of it more as a big hit across the side of the head, a giant charlie horse the size of a football, hitting them in the back of the head, a backhanded hit to the gut with the pommel of the blade, striking with the flat of the blade or even the back instead of the cutting edge. Remember that a character hit so hard in the gut that he can't stand or even think properly can also count as 'unconsious' fluff wise.

You ever watch Tri-gun?in there he is a gunslinger that always aimed for non-vitals so as not to kill them, pathfinder just requires a few more shots. In AIKI Veronica hits the General with her blade sheathed.

And sure there is non lethal in court, battery and assult. Doing harm without intent to kill wiuld be non lethal.


And btw there is a torture method where you preform many small cuts to the body and the body will actually divert blood from the bleeding areas and direct it to the vital organs in an attempt to survive when there has been enough blood loss, effectivly stopping blood flow from the bleeding areas. This is not good for the limbs but you do effectively stop bleeding so this can happen in real life. It also can happen in crisis situations where you are bleeding slowly for extended periods of time and you are imobile.


Vincent The Dark wrote:
I don't know about you, but blood is a vital organ in the body, and them holes bleed/leak. So, your brain and organs will starve of oxygen and energy/nutrients. There is no "non-lethal" defense in court. Unless we are talking about a minor scratch, witch is almost not damage, and forgivable.

Yeah, but this is DnD where Non lethal is incredibly non lethal and only becomes something like lethal if you deal their whole HP total in damage, and then it rolls over and suddenly they're taking legit damage but not bleeding, however are unconcious until you deal -1, at which point they start to bleed out until you deal a magic number equal to their con in damage at which point they die.

I guess instead of doing this you could houserule you deal so much lethal damage with every non lethal, but thats a lot more work.

Scarab Sages

My point is that Slashing damage and Piercing damage cannot be done with the flats of weapons. I mean technically. Other than that, make belief works for me.


Slashing with the back of the blade or piercing the shoulder blade/collar bone area to deal enough damage/pain that they black out. Remember that there is a -4 penalty for doing this with most weapons implying that it is not being used in the normal fashion and also remember unconsious could be reflavored as incapataded to make more sense thematicaly.

Scarab Sages

OK, I buy it. It is kind of like doing the damage for pain rather than disability or something like that. The other mechanic of healing one point an hour does sound a little video game like. But you can't have everything I suppose. Still I like the whole "precision" of damage to reduce the likelihood of dying. No wonder the monk can do it with his fists.

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