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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/champion-o f-irori#TOC-Sweeping-Smite-Ex-
I am having trouble undertanding what would happen if I have 4 levels of monk, therefore a ki pool, and two levels of Champion of Irori/the Enlightened.
Would I get 2 ki points plus wisdom mod from monk and 1ki point plus wisdom from the Champ (2+x+1+x=3+2x)? Or just 3 + x? (Where x = the wisdom mod)
Would it be the same thing if I had ninja ki points as well?
Thanks.
The total level of your Monk and Champion levels put together, dvided by two, and then add your wisdom so...
(4 monk + 2 champion)/2+ x = 3+x.
I don't know how it would work with ninja key pool, it used its charisma modifier. After that much multiclassing it might not hurt to use both charisma and wisdom though...
You would get 1/2 your (Monk and Champion of Irori) levels plus your Wisdom mod in Ki points.
The ability is the same, you just get to stack levels.
Just looked up what happens if you are a ninja btw. The levels stack to determine the total, but you pick one either cha or wis as the modifier. So if you had all 3, you would add monk/ninja/champion together, divide them by half, then add cha or wis whichever is higher.
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Just looked up what happens if you are a ninja btw. The levels stack to determine the total, but you pick one either cha or wis as the modifier. So if you had all 3, you would add monk/ninja/champion together, divide them by half, then add cha or wis whichever is higher.
I see, then same question as just now, with a level 1 ninja interwoven into it : P lol jk
"levels in this class stack with levels in other classes that grant a ki pool."
Monk grants a ki pool, even if you don't have one yet, so I would think it stacks. This is not totally cut and dry, however, like my previous answer, and could see compelling arguments to the contrary.
its in the ninja's version of ki pool
The ki pool is replenished each morning after 8 hours of rest or meditation; these hours do not need to be consecutive. If the ninja possesses levels in another class that grants points to a ki pool, ninja levels stack with the levels of that class to determine the total number of ki points in the combined pool, but only one ability score modifier is added to the total. The choice of which score to use is made when the second class ability is gained, and once made, the choice is set. The ninja can now use ki points from this pool to power the abilities of every class she possesses that grants a ki pool.
That tells you that levels stack, and WHEN the choice of stats is made
For instance if you take 3 levels of monk then 3 levels of ninja, you have 6 total levels to determine your ki pool BUT, you only get to use CHA, because you never gained the actual ability from the monk class
On the other hand, if you take 3 levels in ninja, then 4 levels in monk...again the levels stack, but at level 4 of monk when you gain your "new" ki pool you have to decide which score would be used (CHA or WIS) and it cannot be changed once the choice is made
I would say the monk 3 woundn't count as he has not yet been granted a KI pool.
I would use the same reasoning why you can't take certain feats that require an ability until you actually gain the ability.
While I actually agree with that Gourry187 (I would run it that way if the character only did it for mechanic reasons), I gave the RAW answer for him...which is that they stack whether or not you actually gained the class feature or not :)
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It depends on how you interpret "levels in a class that grants a Ki pool" I suppose... until you reach level 4, Monk isn't a class that grantsa Ki pool. Though you could argue the other just as well: the class grants a Ki pool, even though you haven't gained it yet.
That's pretty significant by the way; 2 levels of Monk are pretty sweet for a ninja (bonus feats, evasion, saves) but you do kinda want to combine Ki pools, so do you need Monk 4 or will 2 suffice?
It's just another one of those RAW situations...I hate them myself lol
As read it just says "another class that grants points to a ki pool", not that it has to actually give you the ki pool
And yes...2 levels in monk makes up for losing evasion as a ninja, you gain 2 feats, get Improved UAS for free, Stunning fist (or other stuff if you choose an archetype), oh and a +2 to all your saves :)
I think the monk is an awesome class for a 1 or 2 level dip
I've been wondering about this same question myself for the last few days, since I plan on playing a Paladin/Monk/Champion of Irori in Wrath of the Righteous.
The monk might be an awesome class for a brief dip, but that's unfortunately not a viable option when trying to get into CoI, since you have to take a bare minimum of three levels of monk for Still Mind.
Either way, I think the wording of the ability could use a little bit of clarification, since RAW in the Champion of Irori's Ki Pool ability states that "levels in this class stack with levels in other classes that grant a ki pool." To me, like Drakkiel, that means that you don't have to have the ki pool ability already, since you EVENTUALLY get a ki pool as a monk. But it's just...hard to say what the RAI in this situation is.
IF you must have the monk's ki pool ability before any stacking occurs, then you either stick at Monk 3 and suck up having no ki pool until level 7 (Monk 3/Paladin 2/Champion 2), at which point your pool is only 3-4 points deep, OR go to Monk 4 and have the ki pool much earlier, in which case your build would likely end up going Monk 4/Paladin 1 or Monk 4/Paladin 2 before entering Champion of Irori, depending on how important Divine Grace is to you.
Even if you DON'T have to have the monk's ki pool first, the first option still significantly delays getting into any ki at all, so...honestly, the best option may be to go to Monk 4, regardless. Ultimately, it's going to depend on just how important to you the extra one or two points is, but I'd personally think it would be more beneficial to the build overall to go to Monk 4 and have access to the ki pool more quickly, regardless of RAW/RAI.
particularly because which side of the issue the answer falls on can have a pretty significant impact on a character build.
One or two Ki points makes a significant impact on a character build? Really? Look, I want it be solved, but it's not really a big deal.
particularly because which side of the issue the answer falls on can have a pretty significant impact on a character build.One or two Ki points makes a significant impact on a character build? Really? Look, I want it be solved, but it's not really a big deal.
Yeah, I edited my previous post after actually doing a little bit of that hard stuff called "math" that made me realize I'd overstated the issue by a pretty big margin. I shoulda done the figurin' first before I hit the "submit" button; what I did was just meander my thoughts through a post and then post it without really analyzing it first. Live and learn!
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I find it a deal (big or small) because the Ring of Ki (or something) makes each ki point a smite. That is nuts, don't you think. I mean a deal.
(I have accepted that I have to go to 4 monk levels so that nobody can say a thing, but I do wish that I didn't have to. A level is a level and slow fall is not worth a level, but 2 smites are.)
I find it a deal (big or small) because the Ring of Ki (or something) makes each ki point a smite. That is nuts, don't you think. I mean a deal.
(I have accepted that I have to go to 4 monk levels so that nobody can say a thing, but I do wish that I didn't have to. A level is a level and slow fall is not worth a level, but 2 smites are.)
I still don't think the extra Monk level is worth it. As an Oath of Vengeance Paladin (who can turn Lay on Hands into Smites), I think I used it to make additional smites maybe two or three times ever.
You get more than enough Smites, in my opinion, for a typical day of adventuring (based on experience playing in APs).
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You get more than enough Smites, in my opinion, for a typical day of adventuring (based on experience playing in APs).
Not needing something is good. I guess about 7 smites a day at level 2 Champ would do, you are right. Even 5 are a good #. I suppose I was looking at the supply too much and not relative to demand. That is calming, you are right.