Hi everyone,
I'm building a SoD wizard for PvP arena play. And I need advice for the mechanically most powerful 6 spells to pick for mystic past life. The list should be spread over a few levels and should contain mostly spells good for going nova against a single combatant (and maybe his eidolon).
My ideas so far:
From summoner list: Maze, SM VII, Spell turning, baleful polymorph, black tentacles, slow and improved invisibility (I know, one of those would have to go).
From Bard list: Euphoric tranquility, Terrible Remorse, Arcane Concordance (does it work on you? because the spell just states your allies), silence, cloak of dreams.
Thanks in advance for any further ideas.
Go for the min/max! :)
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(does it work on you? because the spell just states your allies)
You are your own ally.
I prefer the bard list and getting spells you don't versus getting spells you already have but earlier.
unless you can't get the spells otherwize, i think the bard list will be better, because there will be spells you don't have.
Don't forget witch, witches have some nasty single target debuffers that would be excellent
Thanks for your input.
About the witch list: Do you have specific debuff spells in mind? Could you give me a few examples?
About the versatility: The thing you mention is valid. I think of the combat use of every single spell though because there is no adventure where versatility helps, this is only for quick, bloody arena fighting. Every standard action you take should bring you closer to winning then every other standard action you could take instead. That's how I look upon the spells, and most bard spells are no great help here:
- Cloak of dreams probably sucks big time because most good fighter will have reach.
- Silence is a gem
- early entry on terrible remorse is nice because it allows for persistent remorse at lvl 5 (great candidate for using magical linage and metamagic master, will steal actions later with quicken spell). This will always be a great spell because of the loose/loose situation.
-Euphoric tranquility: nice spell but why cast this and not suffocate or icy prison? Plus it's touch range (successful melees mostly have reach at lvl 2)...
The Summoner spell list just has a lot of those kind of spells for early entry: all of them except for maybe slow and baleful polymorph are often huge casts. For example: An early entry on spell turning should help a lot since I expect a lot of spellcasters at mid levels. Maze is aMazing against eidolons :), improved invisibility wins the fight if your opponent can't detect, black tentacles is huge against any not full BAB class plus the difficult terrain still steals a round from melees.
You get the picture :)
I'm currently favoring the summoner list because I cannot fill the bard list with "I win" buttons (like the summoner's is). Maybe you can help me out here.
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(does it work on you? because the spell just states your allies)You are your own ally.
That would make a great Oracle curse. Call it 'Split Personality': you don't count as an ally when targeting spells. As the oracle levels up, they'd get nondetection type spells or bonuses to bluff.
Witch list. For a SoD caster absolutely nothing beats quickened ill omen. As long as your opponent has a weak save and you have a spell for it you're good, and the wizard already has the best selection of spells against all saves across all levels.
Ill omen is definitely good. I already have reveal weakness though, and by the time it can be quickened my Lyrakien can use it as a wand.
I don't think you can use this ability to get early access to spells. It says you
You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class.
but the spells from the summoner list are already on your wizard spell list. You can't add to your list spells you already have.
I like the Witch spell list too. Ill Omen, Cure Light Wounds, Vomit Swarm (its cool and it scales), Speak With Dead, Poison (with Reach Spell or Spectral Hand), Dust Form (to be incorporeal but still affect others with magic), Heal.
Thats 1 too many, but those are a few of the ones I like.
I don't think you can use this ability to get early access to spells. It says you
You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class.but the spells from the summoner list are already on your wizard spell list. You can't add to your list spells you already have.
By RAW you can. Here is the statement by the designer of the ability.
I like the Witch spell list too. Ill Omen, Cure Light Wounds, Vomit Swarm (its cool and it scales), Speak With Dead, Poison (with Reach Spell or Spectral Hand), Dust Form (to be incorporeal but still affect others with magic), Heal.
Thats 1 too many, but those are a few of the ones I like.
Sorry mate but in arena PvP speak with dead is probably as useful as identify. Healing spells are near useless as well (because they just suck in combat).
Another thought came to my head about the summoner list: I know it's for higher levels but contingency spell turning and contingency maze could win fights on their own.
[edit]P.S.@ Animation's witch list: If I interpret dust form right, the protection can be bypassed by magic weapons. This should be really common by level 11. Vomit swarm requires a standard action to direct and does not deal much damage. I think flaming sphere is a better casting.