Tetori questions

[Beornigar]

First question. Contingency vs. Inescapable grasp--Since contigency activates as a immediate action, and the monks ki abilities are swift actions I would think of this as being possible. On the otherhand one of my players informed me that there was an errata that stated that certain monk ki abilities are changed to immediate actions. She listed the defense bonus and the speed bonus ki can give. If that logic would be followed the other defensive abilities from archtypes such as the inescapable grasp would benifit from this as well. I personally have not seen this but I know that as a player I don't play monks so I'm not sure if this errata exists.

Secomd question. Can a creature attempt to grapple a creature already participating in a grapple? And if they can what happens to the current grapple? The instance I am asking for is the cleric go grappled when they where fighting nagas and the tutori dwarf used his ki to grapple larger creatures to grapple the large naga, being unclear on the rules for multiple grapples I just rules that the old grapple is dropped and a new grapple begins, is this correct?

Last question. The tetori gain the ability to grapple creatures larger then themselves what does this mean in relation to huge and larger crearures where a standerd PC-sized character is small or medium? Is there a limit to the size of the creature they can grapple? And if so do these creatures react to the grapple in the same way that creatures of a mutual size do?

[Bruno Breakbone]

First Question:
Unless player can provide copy of or link to errata (especially for such a mechanic altering errata), spending a ki point for AC or speed bonus is still a swift action as far as Bruno know.

Using inescapable grasp is a swift action done on your turn and lasts until the beginning of your next turn. So it would look like this: Bruno Swift Actions Inescapable Grasp, Move Action walks up to stupid wizard and Standard Action grapples. Wizard's contingency triggers as Immediate Action (assuming "if I am grappled, cast X"). Contingency spell may or may not be suppressed by Inescapable Grasp depending on level of Tetori.

If Bruno forget to power up Inescapable Grasp first, then it would go: Move Action walk up to stupid wizard and Standard Action Grapple. Wizard's contingency triggers as immediate action. Wizard goes bye-bye. Bruno screams in rage at own stupidness.

Second Question:
"Multiple creatures can attempt to grapple one target. The creature that first initiates the grapple is the only one that makes a check, with a +2 bonus for each creature that assists in the grapple (using the Aid Another action). Multiple creatures can also assist another creature in breaking free from a grapple, with each creature that assists (using the Aid Another action) granting a +2 bonus on the grappled creature's combat maneuver check."

Character A is grappled by Monster.

Character B can use Aid Another to assist wimpy Character A and grant +2 to CMB (to maintain pin if controlling or escape if victim).

Alternately, Character B can just beat crap out of monster as it has Grappled Condition (-4 DEX, so -2 to AC).

There is no grappling the grappler who's grappling the wimpy pal.

Last Question:
There is no limit to size of monsters you can grapple--the larger creature gets, the bigger STR and SIZE bonuses to CMD it will have. This make it hard for anyone but strong, handsome and dedicated grapplers like Bruno to grapple them. Bruno think you may be conflating the GRAB ability gained via Graceful Grappler at 8th level with general grappling rules.

Graceful Grappler wrote:

... At 8th level, a tetori gains the grab special attack when using unarmed strikes (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 301), and can use this ability against creatures his own size or smaller by spending 1 point from his ki pool, or against larger creatures by spending 2 points from his ki pool...

Bruno hope that helps.

[Beornigar]

This assits mightly thanks for your advice, Bruno.

[thistledown]

While the topic's still recent - it looks like Tetori is a terrible thing for another class to dip into because of Graceful Grappler - it's really all or nothing.

Graceful Grappler:

A tetori uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine CMB and CMD for grappling. At 4th level, he suffers no penalties on attack rolls, can make attacks of opportunity while grappling, and retains his Dexterity bonus to AC when pinning an opponent or when grappled. At 8th level, a tetori gains the grab special attack when using unarmed strikes, and can use this ability against creatures his own size or smaller by spending 1 point from his ki pool, or against larger creatures by spending 2 points from his ki pool. At 15th level, a tetori gains the constrict special attack, inflicting his unarmed strike damage on any successful grapple check.

This ability replaces flurry of blows.

I don't see a 'can' or 'may' in there, so a 10th level fighter or barbar with a dip into Tetori has his CMB drop from +10 to +1. Is that correct? Seems terribly limiting.

[redward]

thistledown wrote:

While the topic's still recent - it looks like Tetori is a terrible thing for another class to dip into because of Graceful Grappler - it's really all or nothing.

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I don't see a 'can' or 'may' in there, so a 10th level fighter or barbar with a dip into Tetori has his CMB drop from +10 to +1. Is that correct? Seems terribly limiting.

I believe the intent is that the Tetori gets full BAB to CMB for Grappling from level 1, as opposed to level 3 via Maneuver Training. Maneuver Training isn't replaced for Tetori, and that specifically includes the BAB from other classes.

Regardless, I don't know of any other archetypes that can reduce contributions (like BAB) from other classes.