
Evan Whitefield |

One note though, you are slightly limited in what spells you can share.
From the Druid AC section.
Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion
Note sure if its intended to be so vague since pretty much any caster class can get a animal companion at the moment.

Evan Whitefield |

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Evan Whitefield wrote:nosig wrote:???what???
Evan, I believe you are not correct. Please review.
Yup my first search did not bring this up:
Thanks nosig
Welcome!
(was afread I had be teaching it wrong when I read your post!)
I have to say, the FAQ entry linked to doesn't seem relevant here.
The FAQ entry references the enhancing of spells cast from wands (and other items) with feats and other abilities such as doing extra damage etc.The original question in this thread was if Wands work with Share Spells which is a totally different question as this is not about enhancing the spell with a feat etc.
There are a number of classes that involve "Share Spells".
The features are (using the term "Master" for the class which grants the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon):
1) Any spell that the "Master" can only normally cast upon themselves can also be cast upon the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
2) The "Master" ignores all creature type restrictions when casting upon the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
3) The Spells for (1) and (2) above must be on the spell list for the class which granted the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
4) Share Spells does not apply to abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
Point(4) - "A wand is a thin baton that contains a single spell of 4th level or lower", so a wand meets the spell requirement.
So provided it meets point(3) and either point(1) or point(2) it seems to meet the requirements of Share Spells.
This suggests to me that the answer to the OP is Yes.

Robert A Matthews |
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I have to say, the FAQ entry linked to doesn't seem relevant here.
The FAQ entry references the enhancing of spells cast from wands (and other items) with feats and other abilities such as doing extra damage etc.The original question in this thread was if Wands work with Share Spells which is a totally different question as this is not about enhancing the spell with a feat etc.
There are a number of classes that involve "Share Spells".
The features are (using the term "Master" for the class which grants the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon):
1) Any spell that the "Master" can only normally cast upon themselves can also be cast upon the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
2) The "Master" ignores all creature type restrictions when casting upon the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
3) The Spells for (1) and (2) above must be on the spell list for the class which granted the Familiar/Companion/Eidolon
4) Share Spells does not apply to abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.Point(4) - "A wand is a thin baton that contains a single spell of 4th level or lower", so a wand meets the spell requirement.
So provided it meets point(3) and either point(1) or point(2) it seems to meet the requirements of Share Spells.
This suggests to me that the answer to the OP is Yes.
The FAQ is relevant. It applies to this specific situation.
Items as Spells: Does using a potion, scroll, staff, or wand count as "casting a spell" for purposes of feats and special abilities like Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage with evocation spells, bloodline abilities, and so on?No. Unless they specifically state otherwise, feats and abilities that modify spells you cast only affect actual spellcasting, not using magic items that emulate spellcasting or work like spellcasting.
Share Spells is a special ability, therefore using a wand does not count as "casting a spell" for the purposes of that ability.

james maissen |
The FAQ is relevant. It applies to this specific situation.
FAQ wrote:Share Spells is a special ability, therefore using a wand does not count as "casting a spell" for the purposes of that ability.
Items as Spells: Does using a potion, scroll, staff, or wand count as "casting a spell" for purposes of feats and special abilities like Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage with evocation spells, bloodline abilities, and so on?
It may be a special ability, but is it one like the others?
Moreover, the FAQ seemed geared at something else.. and it's not best to widen that scope when reading them.
Now they might want it to be that wide, or they might not. Would be nice to hear from them what they think on it.
-James

Robert A Matthews |

It is allowing you to target things that the spell would not normally target. I would interpret that to be an "ability that modifies a spell you cast". The way the FAQ is worded appears that it would apply to this, just the same as it would apply to a Magus using a wand. You can't spell combat with a wand unless you take the arcana that allows you to do it.

bbangerter |

Robert A Matthews wrote:The FAQ is relevant. It applies to this specific situation.
FAQ wrote:Share Spells is a special ability, therefore using a wand does not count as "casting a spell" for the purposes of that ability.
Items as Spells: Does using a potion, scroll, staff, or wand count as "casting a spell" for purposes of feats and special abilities like Augment Summoning, Spell Focus, an evoker's ability to do extra damage with evocation spells, bloodline abilities, and so on?
It may be a special ability, but is it one like the others?
Moreover, the FAQ seemed geared at something else.. and it's not best to widen that scope when reading them.
Now they might want it to be that wide, or they might not. Would be nice to hear from them what they think on it.
-James
The words 'like' and 'so on' used in the rules are almost always (always?) meant to be an all encompassing grouping.
Given current wording of the FAQ it is entirely reasonable to widen it to include the share spells ability. 'like' and 'so on' are intended to give a wide open and broad perspective. 'like' and 'so on' are used so both existing abilities and new abilities created in the future all fall under the ruling.
If they want certain abilities to not fall under the all encompassing rule they've created they will need to explicitly call them out - until then IMO it it entirely appropriate (and inappropriate not to do so as not doing so would be a completely arbitrary ruling from GM to GM) for us to widen, as you say, the ruling to include all such abilities. They gave a few specific examples, and then specified 'so on' to indicate a continuation of that list ad nauseam to encompass all special abilities, feats, powers, etc. Share spells falls into that very broad and inexhaustible list.