A Question On A Multiclassed Monk's Flurry.

[Flurry of Notes]

I have no idea how to calculate it. I've got some ideas though, and I just need some clarification.

Alright. Lets say I have 4 levels of Monk, and 6 of Bard. (Now is not the time to debate effectiveness of this.) My overall BAB would be +7/+2, correct? If I flurry, even if I take no more Monk levels afterwards, it will always add an extra attack, correct? At this moment, that would be three attacks. I have no idea what these three attacks are made at, even before bonuses from feats, strength, and other such things.

Allow me to make an educated guess however. My BAB from monk, for flurrying, is my monk level. So the first attack would be at +8, and then I get an extra at +8, because it works like TWF, and then do I add anything to the third attack? The chart on the monk page implies no, so a third attack at +2? But then, finally, since it's like TWF, I get a minus two on all of these?

So then it's +6/+6+0? Extending this into later levels, confuses me even more deeply...

Another thing I read, but was unsure of, is that the part of the monk's table that calculates Flurry BAB, only applies to a single classes monk, and is to be ignored? This same source went on to say that you simply add the extra attacks at levels 1, 8, and 15, as stated in the rules. Which also makes sense to me. The extra attack at level one being made at your first attack's bonus, the second extra attack at the second attack's bonus, and the third at the third.

Sooo, currently, that would be +8/+8/+3, but then, TWF, so -2 to all attacks... +6/+6/+1?

That second one seems most right to me, with the only major flaw in this logic being that the designers essentially wasted a column in the monk's class, solely to confuse me, I mean make single classes monks easier to understand.

If we take this into later levels, say by taking 4 more Bard levels, my Flurry would be at +9/+9/+4/-1? If instead I took 4 more Monk levels, would it be +10/+10/+5/+5/+0?

10 more Bard levels would net me a Flurry of +14/+14/+9/+4/-1?
10 more Monk levels would get me +16/+16/+11/+11/+6/+1?

It's all very confusing for me, but basically I was planning 4 Monk/16 Bard as the 20 level build. (Again, not the time.) So before Strength, feats, magic weapons, and whatnot, the +14/+14/+9/+4/-1 is accurate? Currently, it would be at +6/+6/+1?

(Edit: Deer Lord. Please, in the name of Erastil, forgive any bad math on my part. That's why I'm asking for help.)

[Drakkiel]

It looks like you are correct on your flurry as the +6/+6/+1, and for your final flurry of your 4 monk/16 bard...at least the way I'm reading it lol, you do sound confused, but your math looks solid...as long as you never try to gain more than one "extra" attack from flurry since you aren't 8th level monk then you are good

[Grick]

Flurry of Notes wrote:

I have no idea how to calculate it.

1) Use monk level as monk BAB.

2) Add BAB from all other classes.
3) Determine iterative attacks.
4) Apply -2 penalty as if TWF. Calculate 'off-hand' attack bonus.
5) Add Str (or Dex, depending).
6) Add any other bonuses or penalties to the attack.

Flurry of Notes wrote:

Alright. Lets say I have 4 levels of Monk, and 6 of Bard. (Now is not the time to debate effectiveness of this.) My overall BAB would be +7/+2, correct?

Correct.

6th-level Bard has BAB+4.
4th-level Monk has BAB+3.

Flurry of Notes wrote:

If I flurry, even if I take no more Monk levels afterwards, it will always add an extra attack, correct?

Correct. It's almost exactly like TWF.

Flurry of Notes wrote:

At this moment, that would be three attacks. I have no idea what these three attacks are made at, even before bonuses from feats, strength, and other such things.

1) Monk level = 4. So, during flurry, monk BAB = +4.

2) Bard BAB is +4.

3) Your total BAB during flurry is +8. Which gives you +8/+3 for iterative BAB.

4) Apply -2 penalty for TWF, resulting in main hand: +6/+1 Off-hand: +6 (Since you're using flurry, those can all be the same hand/weapon.)

Flurry of Notes wrote:

That second one seems most right to me, with the only major flaw in this logic being that the designers essentially wasted a column in the monk's class, solely to confuse me, I mean make single classes monks easier to understand.

One of the design goals was to make single-classing more attractive. The Flurry table (presumably) helps single-class monks figure out how many attacks they get at what bonus/penalty.

Flurry of Notes wrote:

If we take this into later levels, say by taking 4 more Bard levels, my Flurry would be at +9/+9/+4/-1?

Correct.

1) Monk level = 4. So, during flurry, monk BAB = +4.

2) Bard BAB is +7 (at 10th level).

3) Your total BAB during flurry is +11. Which gives you +11/+6/+1 for iterative BAB.

4) Apply -2 penalty for TWF, resulting in main hand: +9/+4/-1 Off-hand: +9 (Since you're using flurry, those can all be the same hand/weapon.)

Flurry of Notes wrote:

If instead I took 4 more Monk levels, would it be +10/+10/+5/+5/+0?

1) Monk level = 8. So, during flurry, monk BAB = +8.

2) Bard BAB is +4 (at 6th level).

3) Your total BAB during flurry is +12. Which gives you +12/+7/+2 for iterative BAB.

4) Apply -2 penalty for TWF, resulting in main hand: +10/+5/+0 Off-hand: +10 (Since you're using flurry, those can all be the same hand/weapon.)

Flurry of Notes wrote:

10 more Bard levels would net me a Flurry of +14/+14/+9/+4/-1?

10 more Monk levels would get me +16/+16/+11/+11/+6/+1?

You've lost me. Just apply the steps above and you'll get it.

Flurry of Notes wrote:

I was planning 4 Monk/16 Bard as the 20 level build. (Again, not the time.) So before Strength, feats, magic weapons, and whatnot, the +14/+14/+9/+4/-1 is accurate?

1) Monk level = 4. So, during flurry, monk BAB = +4.

2) Bard BAB is +12 (at 16th level).

3) Your total BAB during flurry is +16. Which gives you +16/+11/+6/+1 for iterative BAB.

4) Apply -2 penalty for TWF, resulting in main hand: +14/+9/+4/-1 Off-hand: +14 (Since you're using flurry, those can all be the same hand/weapon.)

[Flurry of Notes]

Thanks for the help you guys. I appreciate it. I think I get it now.