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I was hoping everyone could help me figure out the answers to some questions I have regarding the divine Scion. They are laid out below. The class is detailed here.
1. I am playing a possessed oracle of battle. Gorum has placed in him a spirit of war and destruction. Rebelling against this he worships Sarenrae. Does worshiping her make her his Patron Deity? Do I qualify for the class?
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When a divine scion gains a level, she gains new spells per day as if she had also gained a level in a divine spellcasting class she belonged to before she added the prestige class. She does not, however, gain any other benefits a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that she adds the level of divine scion to the level of whatever other divine spellcasting class she has.
Do I gain spells known? Do I gain healing spells? do I gain mystery spells?
Also note this is a PFS character so the more rules quotes the better.
Thanks!
I can't answer patron deity, but the section you quoted says "She does not, however, gain any other benefits a character of that class would have gained." So no spells known, mystery, or healing spells. Those are not 'spells per day'. Those are 'other benefits'.
I can't answer patron deity, but the section you quoted says "She does not, however, gain any other benefits a character of that class would have gained." So no spells known, mystery, or healing spells. Those are not 'spells per day'. Those are 'other benefits'.
The spells known part is incorrect. As detailed in the FAQ, a spontaneous spellcaster gains spells know as they increase in caster level. Mystery spells, however, are tied to Oracle level, and so you would not continue to gain those.
Cure/Inflict is in an odd position. According to the description of the ability:
In addition to the spells gained by oracles as they gain levels, each oracle also adds all of either the cure spells or the inflict spells to her list of spells known (cure spells include all spells with “cure” in the name, inflict spells include all spells with “inflict” in the name). These spells are added as soon as the oracle is capable of casting them. This choice is made when the oracle gains her first level and cannot be changed.
Based on this it sounds like once you take your first level in Oracle and lock in your choice, those spells are yours as soon as you get high enough to cast them, regardless of how you're advancing your caster level.
I can't answer patron deity, but the section you quoted says "She does not, however, gain any other benefits a character of that class would have gained." So no spells known, mystery, or healing spells. Those are not 'spells per day'. Those are 'other benefits'.The spells known part is incorrect. As detailed in the FAQ, a spontaneous spellcaster gains spells know as they increase in caster level. Mystery spells, however, are tied to Oracle level, and so you would not continue to gain those.
Cure/Inflict is in an odd position. According to the description of the ability:
In addition to the spells gained by oracles as they gain levels, each oracle also adds all of either the cure spells or the inflict spells to her list of spells known (cure spells include all spells with “cure” in the name, inflict spells include all spells with “inflict” in the name). These spells are added as soon as the oracle is capable of casting them. This choice is made when the oracle gains her first level and cannot be changed.Based on this it sounds like once you take your first level in Oracle and lock in your choice, those spells are yours as soon as you get high enough to cast them, regardless of how you're advancing your caster level.
My mistake. I hadn't seen the "spells known" get added in the faq.
1. I am playing a possessed oracle of battle. Gorum has placed in him a spirit of war and destruction. Rebelling against this he worships Sarenrae. Does worshiping her make her his Patron Deity? Do I qualify for the class?
Yes, you do. Your Patron Deity is your own choice, so if you accepted Sarenrae as your "Lady and Saviour", then you qualify as Her Divine Scion.
Also: you probably made Gorum a wee bit angry. And you might not like Him, when He's angry...|
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Thanks everyone. I was worried that Ximen's first post was correct. Glad to see there is a FAQ on it, thanks Brotato. Also I think your right about cure spells, they are part of my spells known each level.
VRMH: That's exactly what I want to hear. Do you have any quote or anything? The reason I ask is that I have some people that are making strong arguments that patron is in reference to the Deity who gives you power.
And Sky hopes he can piss off Gorum. :-p No one should grow up possessed by a demon of war.
Having a patron deity is irrelevant to an Oracle's power, that's why you're an Oracle and not a Cleric. They are imbued with power by their Mystery, which is relevant to a few gods, but they are not beholden to those gods to use their power: an oracle can have no god at all and still pick any Mystery they want. Your character's power is derived from Battle, which is closely tied to Gorum, but that does not make him your patron deity. The one you worship is your patron deity, and does not, in and of itself, confer any sort of power. Note the many fighter worshipers of Cayden Caileen.
In short, nothing about your character's concept is against RAW, or in my opinion, even RAI.
Do you have any quote or anything?
No, but we have the opposite: the absence of a quote. Much like the colour of a PC's hair, there is no rule whatsoever demanding that a PC set a patron, let alone a specific one.
Even the write-up of the core Cleric doesn't once use the word "patron", and so they could theoretically chose one Deity to serve and get their spells from, and another Patron Deity to revere.