Wyroot bows


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Is it possible to have wyroot be made into a bow?

I know in the description that it says that wyroot CAN be made into melee weapons where the haft or all of it is made of wood. It doesn't specifically state the wood couldn't be made into a bow.

If it can't be used as a bow then I'm not sure which weapon is good to use it for melee.


I would say RAI is that it was meant "only" for melee weapons since it specifically calls them out in the description

As for which melee weapons, there are a lot of the weapons that have wooden hafts, and you could always ask your GM if you could just get your weapons made with wooden handles or something if this is a home game


Yeah, it specifically states it can be used to make melee weapons, so no, you can't make a wyroot bow (or at least, if you did, it wouldn't do anything special).

As for what weapon it's good for--uh, probably none, honestly. It's a special property that triggers on crits, and there are no primarily wooden weapons with 18-20 crit that I'm aware of off the top of my head. I wouldn't spend that much money to get a special effect less than 1/20 of the time.


I don't think it's ever been close to settled what is meant by "haft". See 9th post by Illest on this thread.
Wyroot
Haft could very well include handles to things such as swords.


GreenMandar wrote:

I don't think it's ever been close to settled what is meant by "haft". See 9th post by Illest on this thread.

Wyroot
Haft could very well include handles to things such as swords.

Illeist is wrong about what a "haft" is.

Hafting is actually a name for the process by which these weapon are created. Swords, whose blade and handle are a single piece of metal, are not hafted, whereas an axe or spear, whose head is attached to a handle later, are hafted.

It is possible to make an axe or spear that is a single piece of metal (thus denying it "hafted" status), but such a thing would be exceedingly rare. It is not, however, possible to create a hafted sword, as that would significantly degrade the quality of the weapon. The closest thing to a hafted sword that you can get is a Glaive.

Silver Crusade

Soo Falchard? Thats an 18-20 weapon


Endoralis wrote:
Soo Falchard? Thats an 18-20 weapon

Yep--and it's Fauchard :P

Of course, you'll have a difficult time getting a class that can utilize Ki or Arcane Pool to use a Fauchard. Sohei is pretty much the only option I can see.


mplindustries wrote:
GreenMandar wrote:

I don't think it's ever been close to settled what is meant by "haft". See 9th post by Illest on this thread.

Wyroot
Haft could very well include handles to things such as swords.

Illeist is wrong about what a "haft" is.

Hafting is actually a name for the process by which these weapon are created. Swords, whose blade and handle are a single piece of metal, are not hafted, whereas an axe or spear, whose head is attached to a handle later, are hafted.

It is possible to make an axe or spear that is a single piece of metal (thus denying it "hafted" status), but such a thing would be exceedingly rare. It is not, however, possible to create a hafted sword, as that would significantly degrade the quality of the weapon. The closest thing to a hafted sword that you can get is a Glaive.

Hafting is the process of attaching something to a haft. Your link doesn't define what the haft is. The ones he provided do. I looked at a couple other ones as well and none indicate that it is limited to a wooden shaft. In fact, some such as dictionary.com specifically mention sword handle - "a handle, especially of a knife, sword, or dagger."

Haft at dictionary.com
While what you are thinking may possibly be what the Paizo staff intended, based on some of the other wording in the description for this material, RAW I don't see how we can assume that.


I'm moving the "what is a haft" discussion back to the Wyroot thread I linked to above, as that's not what Grizzly started this one for.


GreenMandar wrote:

Hafting is the process of attaching something to a haft. Your link doesn't define what the haft is. The ones he provided do. I looked at a couple other ones as well and none indicate that it is limited to a wooden shaft. In fact, some such as dictionary.com specifically mention sword handle - "a handle, especially of a knife, sword, or dagger."

Haft at dictionary.com

Right, except I am telling you that since Hafting is the process of attaching, it is literally impossible for a sword (or knife) to be both function in combat and hafted, as they are crafted from a single piece of metal. You cannot "haft" something that is a single piece already.

So, I accept that you don't have a definition of what a Haft is, but there is at least a solid indication here of what is not hafted.


mplindustries wrote:
GreenMandar wrote:

Hafting is the process of attaching something to a haft. Your link doesn't define what the haft is. The ones he provided do. I looked at a couple other ones as well and none indicate that it is limited to a wooden shaft. In fact, some such as dictionary.com specifically mention sword handle - "a handle, especially of a knife, sword, or dagger."

Haft at dictionary.com

Right, except I am telling you that since Hafting is the process of attaching, it is literally impossible for a sword (or knife) to be both function in combat and hafted, as they are crafted from a single piece of metal. You cannot "haft" something that is a single piece already.

So, I accept that you don't have a definition of what a Haft is, but there is at least a solid indication here of what is not hafted.

No, I have multiple definitions of haft, which don't match up with what you are saying it is not. Do you have anything else to base this on?


So a bo staff can be made into wyroot I suppose.

As for the bow, I guess I'll just have to ask my GM anyway in hopes hell allow it. He likes customizing all the time in his own world, so a wyroot bow shouldn't be tofar of a stretch.

Also, the example given for the description for wyroot said melee weapons. However, other descriptions for special material do something similar where they only talk about one or two features and just list the pricing for every crafting option, and vice versa.

Still I guess it's supposed to be for melee. It just seems possible for ranged as well.

Scarab Sages

A Sohei monk can use FoB with polearms starting at 6th level. A wyroot fauchard is definitely an option for him.

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