Conflict between additional resources / guide


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5/5

The additional resources page says at the top:

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In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use.

The most recent Guide says:

Quote:
In order to utilize content from an Additional Resource, a player must have a physical copy of the Additional Resource in question, a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of it, or a printout of the relevant pages from it, as well as a copy of the current version of the Additional Resources list.

I'm assuming the Guide wins, but AR should probably be updated.

Liberty's Edge

Slightly off topic, but related: it is also important to point out that the PRD is a method of distribution for a resource. It's annoying to listen to people say that the PRD can't be used because it's not listed in the "additional resources", which is completely nonsensical.

1/5 Contributor

Well, the players have to own legal copies of the additional resources as watermarked pdfs or physical books in order to use material from those resources. I think that's where the confusion comes in. For those purposes, the PRD is no more a legal source than HeroLab is.

5/5

HangarFlying wrote:
Slightly off topic, but related: it is also important to point out that the PRD is a method of distribution for a resource. It's annoying to listen to people say that the PRD can't be used because it's not listed in the "additional resources", which is completely nonsensical.

The PRD can be used for reference. It can't be used as a source. There's a difference--in this case using something as a source demonstrates ownership.

I still use the PRD for a quick spell lookup nine times out of ten. But I still have the PDFs on my tablet.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Our location has been instructed to stop using d20pfsrd even as a reference ever since they started selling products online. I've noticed quite a bit of content that no longer matches up.

5/5

Instructed by whom?

Grand Lodge 2/5 RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
Instructed by whom?

Obviously that would be the Decemvi-*takes a shuriken to the face*

Grand Lodge 1/5

Jiggy wrote:
Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
Instructed by whom?
Obviously that would be the Decemvi-*takes a shuriken to the face*

But you didn't say Candlejack, so why wer

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East

I haven't been instructed as such, but I would agree that they are no longer a reliable resourse.

5/5

Why was this moved out of website feedback? The additional resources page needs to be updated.


I haven't noticed anything except prestige class name changes, the content seems the same

Sczarni 2/5

*sigh* if you had been paying attention the only things they had to change were names of paizo specific trademarks like varisian tattoo is now called magic tattoo...but still is found with a search for varisian tattoo..

There are a few items they may have had to remove outright, but I haven't found any.

Accuracy still seems the same to me. So why aren't they reliable? According to the society guide Paizo is still supposed to get their cheddar so using the site for single source research should be perfectly fine.

Silver Crusade 5/5

I would like to clarify that there is the PRD which is in the sidebar to the left and is run by Paizo.

Then you have the D20PFSRD which is not PFS legal as a reference OR a source. Since it is fan generated, has 3rd party all up in it's business, and so on.

Now I will note that I do use D20PFSRD it at time to find obscure feats, rules, and etc that the PRD's search engine isn't quite good enough to find for me.

I will double note that D20PFSRD is a great resource Pathfinder in general, just not PFS.

Grand Lodge 4/5

But, due to the name changes, it can confuse peeople, since the Additional Resources page uses the real Paizo/Pathfinder names, but D20PFSRD now has many things with "alternate" names, which makes it harder to verify PFS legality.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

kinevon wrote:
But, due to the name changes, it can confuse peeople, since the Additional Resources page uses the real Paizo/Pathfinder names, but D20PFSRD now has many things with "alternate" names, which makes it harder to verify PFS legality.

Yes, especially when Additional Resources says something like 'all feats except X, Y, and Z are legal for play' and the D20PFSRD-reliant player selects 'the feat formerly known as X'.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Paz wrote:
kinevon wrote:
But, due to the name changes, it can confuse peeople, since the Additional Resources page uses the real Paizo/Pathfinder names, but D20PFSRD now has many things with "alternate" names, which makes it harder to verify PFS legality.
Yes, especially when Additional Resources says something like 'all feats except X, Y, and Z are legal for play' and the D20PFSRD-reliant player selects 'the feat formerly known as X'.

This is a very good reason for not using it as a source. But this presents an entirely different problem.

Using the PRD or d20PFSRD as your source. Technically they should be using their book or PDF. Not the PRD or d20PFSRD to build their character.

5/5

We have already agreed, and it has been made explicit many times, that online databases are not legal representations of ownership for the purposes of PFS. They can be used for a quick reference because they are easily searchable.

This doesn't change the fact that the Additional Resources is out of date. But it did get this thread moved to where it's not useful! Thanks, guys.

Digital Products Assistant

Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
But it did get this thread moved to where it's not useful! Thanks, guys.

This thread was moved here because Mike Brock is in charge of this document, not the web team. :)

5/5

... then I apologize for my snark.

(Well, that particular bit of it, anyway. Apologizing for all of it would take a long time.)

Silver Crusade

to what degree is the Additional resource out of date? Months? weeks? some other random degree?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Roma Methusael wrote:
to what degree is the Additional resource out of date? Months? weeks? some other random degree?

That has to be answered as a double answer.

For most items in it, it is usually no more than a month out of date. It gets updated every month to cover the new releases.

For a few of the things on it, mainly stuff that would be considered static, it sometimes gets overlooked during the update process.

For instance, while I am working on this reply, the version available is from Jan 30th of this year. However, as has been mentioned in another thread, there is an update to it expected today, that will have the new stuff, and a few changes to older stuff.

As an example, while it no longer contains the reference, it was some time after the Pathfinder Society Field Guide was moved into the Core Assumption in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, and Seekers of Secrets was moved out of the Core Assumption, that Seekers finally had the reference to being in the Core Assumption removed.

There were also some changes on the web version of Additional Resources that took a few iterations before they made their way into the PDF download for Additional Resources.

Hope that answers your question without confusing you too much.

5/5

Roma Methusael wrote:
to what degree is the Additional resource out of date? Months? weeks? some other random degree?

To the degree I noted in my first post, which started this thread.

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