Familiar, multiple natural attacks, and extra attacks based on BAB

[Grayfeather]

So few questions here. Lets say you have a familiar that starts with two attacks to start at the same base (in this case its a great horned owl which starts with 2 claws +3).

Question 1: Hows this change once my level adjusts this up. RAW says

Attacks: Use the master's base attack bonus, as calculated from all his classes. Use the familiar's Dexterity or Strength modifier, whichever is greater, to calculate the familiar's melee attack bonus with natural weapons. Damage equals that of a normal creature of the familiar's kind.

Ok so lets say my base is +6/+1. Does this mean his attacks before abilities feats etc is +6/+1 or +6/+6/+1 (for extra claw)

Question 2: If i get an artifact "that raises my base to that of a fighter" while holding it does this mean my familiar gets this too while holding it? I know this is a hard one but be as specific to raw as possible.

[Buri]

1) Their BAB is yours. If you get extra attacks from BAB so do they.

2) Yes. You already quoted the relevant text.

[Grayfeather]

Buri wrote:

1) Their BAB is yours. If you get extra attacks from BAB so do they.

I get that, it was never in question. The question is does their extra attack stack with the base attack increase. Just confirming I got a familiar at right now thats got 4 attacks, two at max base.

[Michael Sayre]

Natural attacks do not get iteratives for high BAB. A creature with two claw attacks at BAB +0, still only has two claw attacks a round at BAB +20.

"Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus."

Also, if you got an artifact that raised your BAB to that of a fighter (similar to the Transformation spell, I assume) it won't affect your familiar.

"Attacks: Use the master's base attack bonus, as calculated from all his classes"

You calculate the familiar's BAB based on his master's total from all of his classes, not all of his artifacts and spells.

[Grayfeather]

Ssalarn wrote:

Natural attacks do not get iteratives for high BAB. A creature with two claw attacks at BAB +0, still only has two claw attacks a round at BAB +20.

"Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus."

That seems to make no sense. You're saying a creature with one weapon base attack would get 5 attacks at lvl 20 in this case but a faster animal with two attacks would be stuck at two.

[PSY850]

no, he's saying any creature with just natural attacks never gets multiple attacks based on bab. even with just one bite attack the animal only gets 1 attack.

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[Michael Sayre]

Grayfeather wrote:

Ssalarn wrote:

Natural attacks do not get iteratives for high BAB. A creature with two claw attacks at BAB +0, still only has two claw attacks a round at BAB +20.

"Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus."

That seems to make no sense. You're saying a creature with one big attack like a bite would get 5 attacks at lvl 20 in this case but a faster animal with two attacks would be stuck at two.

No, a creature with a bite attack only makes one attack with it at level 20, the same as he did at level one. Having a higher BAB does not impact the number of attacks you can make with a natural attack. You always only get one a round per natural attack on a full attack (with a few exceptions, like the extra attack from Haste).

[Buri]

Wee, I was wrong. :D

[Michael Sayre]

Grayfeather wrote:

That seems to make no sense. You're saying a creature with one weapon base attack would get 5 attacks at lvl 20 in this case but a faster animal with two attacks would be stuck at two.

Don't think of it as your owl being faster. He's not. He just happens to be able to kick with both of his claws as part of a full attack. He's never going to have suddenly more limber ankles that allow him to whip his claws about like a fighter might with a sword. His second claw will also never be less accurate the way a swordsman's sword will as he tries to cram more attacks into a round. Natural attacks start out very powerful, but they tend to dwindle in effectiveness as levels rise (unless you're playing a Tiger druid who gains pounce and rake or a Summoner with an Eidolon who's constantly evolving additional natural attacks). Eventually your primitive attack forms just aren't going to match up to the finesse one can squeeze out of a manufactured weapon.