Sooooo, back to gender issues..... although admittedly the tangent of gender and media, I saw the movie Don Jon last night. It has a really interesting look at how media, and specifically different kinds of media aimed at gender consumption impacts the views about love and sex differently for men and women. For example the titular character views all sex only through the lens of modern pornography, while the woman he falls for views the same only through the lens of romantic comedies. Interesting movie.
PS lots of nudity so, you know, OHFWA!
Sooooo, back to gender issues..... although admittedly the tangent of gender and media, I saw the movie Don Jon last night. It has a really interesting look at how media, and specifically different kinds of media aimed at gender consumption impacts the views about love and sex differently for men and women. For example the titular character views all sex only through the lens of modern pornography, while the woman he falls for views the same only through the lens of romantic comedies. Interesting movie.
PS lots of nudity so, you know, OHFWA!
So which one was less realistic? :)
I'm sure the "tip" for the pizza delivery guy has happened at least once. I'm not sure if there's ever been a young single rich good looking doctor that does charity work, doesn't lose their hair, and still has time to go to the gym to keep off the paunch but is still inexplicably single.
A doctor that also does charity work, 99.9999% chance doesnt have time to date, mostly cause the charity work is consuming the very limited freetime.
Or so I understand from the tidbits I hear from doctors.
gender consumption??
tuberculosis that targets people based on how they act/dress?
I thought this was pretty obvious from context. Media products targeted at a specific gender.
gender consumptionWell you can try to advertise your romantic comedy movie during monday night football but I don't think it will be the best use of your advertising dollars.
Sooooo, back to gender issues..... although admittedly the tangent of gender and media, I saw the movie Don Jon last night. It has a really interesting look at how media, and specifically different kinds of media aimed at gender consumption impacts the views about love and sex differently for men and women. For example the titular character views all sex only through the lens of modern pornography, while the woman he falls for views the same only through the lens of romantic comedies. Interesting movie.
PS lots of nudity so, you know, OHFWA!
OHWFA!
I hadn't even heard of this movie until yesterday.
It's nice of Mr. Gordon-Leavitt to give me some national exposure.
Is the media impacting the views of sex and love, or just chronicling it?
Is the media impacting the views of sex and love, or just chronicling it?
I think that that is a valid question. I didn't want to spoiler much of the movie, but the guy finally gets what is going on. The girl doesn't. He has this idea that real sex is supposed to be like sex is in a porn clip. He is ultimately unsatisfied by all of his encounters because they don't fit that mold. To him, sex is less fulfilling than porn because it is never like it is in the movies. Keeping it PG-13 for this board makes it a bit difficult to describe at this point.
She expects that all guys and all relationships are supposed to be like they are in a romantic comedy. She can't understand that every guy isn't going to be perfect like they are in a romcom. She has no idea why guys expect her to have boundaries because in a romcom the guy does whatever the girl needs. He should "do anything for her."
The uptake of the film was that people have/are developing unrealistic expectations and those are created or reinforced by media.
Hard to speak about from the women's end (I hope some of our friends with a feminist outlook make their way in here in a bit) but I can see what they mean from the male end. The internet is informing a large number of young men's view on sex. I have dated or been friends with several women who complain about younger guys and their expectations in the bedroom.
Sooooo, back to gender issues..... although admittedly the tangent of gender and media, I saw the movie Don Jon last night. It has a really interesting look at how media, and specifically different kinds of media aimed at gender consumption impacts the views about love and sex differently for men and women. For example the titular character views all sex only through the lens of modern pornography, while the woman he falls for views the same only through the lens of romantic comedies. Interesting movie.
PS lots of nudity so, you know, OHFWA!
So which one was less realistic? :)
I'm sure the "tip" for the pizza delivery guy has happened at least once. I'm not sure if there's ever been a young single rich good looking doctor that does charity work, doesn't lose their hair, and still has time to go to the gym to keep off the paunch but is still inexplicably single.
As a lawyer I have specifically had to turn this type of offer down before. I like my license to practice law thank you very much.
My tattoo artist has had similar offers. (That is probably not a surprise to anyone.)
Personally Im quite happy with porn being unrealistic. Seen a couple and they are not at all what I want in my bedroom, but perhaps Im just overy romantic, not that I expect things to be like romantic comedies either.
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If all romcoms were required to have one good hardcore acrobatic sex scene with full frontal, we would all be happy.
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There are many actors and actresses in tradition romcoms that I would prefer not to see neekid
Body double, CGI, it'll be all good.
"I never knew Dany Devito was so ripped... "
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I'm personally of the opinion that the media influences opinion quite a lot, although it's not 100% the fault of the media. I think it's more like an echo chamber where the media focuses and enhances certain issues.
Anyway, I think a lot of modern relationships are incredibly unhealthy, and that most people have unreasonable expectations no matter their gender. Porn is the most obvious offender but plenty of people see TV dramas and so forth an expect life to be like that.
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How can you be honest without being truthful?It is easy to be truthful without being honest. wording things in a way that is true but misleading for instance.Take it from a republican . . . <zing!>
In all seriousness people mislead folks all the time, it's called advertising, and it's a practice that's worth billions of dollars easily. But I'm more intrigued by this RomCom / hard core porn idea you guys are floating. Please lets talk more about that.
Sad man thinks i am republican. that is funny. Funnier still that you think ANY politician has not mastered that mode of talking
Some might recall the Orson Scott Card thread that got derailed into a Roman Polanski thread.
I watched the Wanted and Desired documentary, which was very interesting, and, in one of those moments of synergistic weirdiosity that I love so much, a couple of days later I heard a radio interview with Samantha Geimer. Turns out she has written a book.
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Off with his head.
Or both of them. Don't particularly care about the order.
I don't care what made him do it or what foucauldian deconstruction of the zeitgeist he can bring to society, no one that does THAT deserves anything bigger than a 5 by 3 by 3 pine box.
Off with his head.
Or both of them. Don't particularly care about the order.
I don't care what made him do it or what foucauldian deconstruction of the zeitgeist he can bring to society, no one that does THAT deserves anything bigger than a 5 by 3 by 3 pine box.
Well, I can't say I ever noticed any foucauldian whasits of the whonow in The Fearless Vampire Killers, but, fun fact:
Polanski skipped town to avoid a 45(ish)-day stay in Chino Men's State Hospital (not a decapitation--nor a castration for that matter).
The seventies! All kinds shiznit was different!
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Funnier still that you think ANY politician has not mastered that mode of talkingIt's called advertizing, and all parties use it, but you clearly didn't see the "<zing!>" or the "In all seriousness" indicating that it was a joke. I apologize. I shall try to make my humor more obvious for you next time. (I can't really do much about making it more funny as that's more of a subjective thing).
It is more than just advertising, it is worse than lying.
Lovely. :-)
We're having our presidential election next month. Interestingly, both leading candidates (and, really, the only two with real chances of winning) are female. One was already president in 06 (presidents can't serve consecutive periods here).
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Been listening pretty heavily to Ice Cube's AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted and I wanted to read that bell hooks interview again.
You Can't Fade Me
Ran into/this girl named Carla/Knew her from the backseat of my homie's Impala
I'm Only Out for One Thang Featuring Flavor Flav!
It's a Man's World "How you gonna rule the world with your broke ass a joke?" "With yo' country check, baby!"
Thought this was interesting.
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Thought this was interesting.
Terrible move. The Bechdel Test isn't really useful for an individual movie (or book or game, etc.), it's only useful in aggregation to get a view of what the industry is doing on t he whole. A single movie with no female characters is neither necessarily problematic or sexist; it's only when a vast majority of movies are that we might want to pay attention.
And besides - just because a movie passes the Bechdel Test doesn't mean it's not sexist/problematic in other ways/just plain awful...
For fun (and to annoy Mr. Shifty) I started tracking my movie-watching on the Bechdel-o-meter in another thread. Most of yous have probably already seen it, but I like making lists.
I started on 18/10/2013 and I have yet to watch a movie that passes the test.
Empire of the Sun
The Troll Hunter
The Dead
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
Howl
Hobo with a Shotgun
Oh, Mr. Porter!
The Dirty Dozen
Tonight I am going to a comrade's house for Socialist Movie Night and we're gonna see some recent flick about the French Resistance that I've never heard of. I will bet 5 favorited posts to 1 that it fails the Bechdel test. Any takers?
I should admit, though, that the scientific validity of this experiment has already been compromised. The last two movies I received from Netflix were:
The Possession
The Last Exorcism
I have a feeling that one, if not both, of these flicks would've passed the test, but I didn't watch them. My drunken anarcho-syndicalist hetero life partner watched them while I was busy watching his dvds of The Walking Dead, Season 3 and he said that one of them was terrible and one of them was alright* but I forget which was which. I told him I'd watch them after I was done with the zombies and he started yelling about that being bullshiznit and when was the third season of Downton Abbey coming, g@*+~#nit!! so I sent them back.
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*I'll take Lou Reed over the Chicago Manual of Style, please.
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Y'know what's fun Doodlebug? Watching Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones and The Hollow Crown and where's waldo-ing british actors. Iain Glenn's the only one to hit the trifecta so far but two of the three are still in production . . .
I don't have a problem with spelling it "alright," I just think that spelling should be pronounced "a'right."
The spelling filter doesn't catch "gonna," either. "I'm'onna" is apparently incorrect though. Hm.
Thought this was interesting.
"The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, all Star Wars movies, The Social Network, Pulp Fiction and all but one of the Harry Potter movies fail this test," said Ellen Tejle, the director of Bio Rio, an art-house cinema in Stockholm's trendy Södermalm district.
Which shows how ridiculous the Bechdel test is. You have harry potter, which is not only written by a female author, but contains several prominent female characters including Hermoine who's by far the most intelligent, competent, capable and most importantly sane members of the main three.
I don't know, BNW. I don't think the bechdel test is ridiculous, it's just measures things in the aggregate rather an individually. As for Harry Potter, on the one hand J.K. Rowling is a very successful female author, with strong (well, strong-ish) female characters; on the other hand, she would not be the first woman on earth who ever internalized sexism.
Ninja'd by Thejeff.
Or it shows how pervasive the male bias is. Hermoine may be the "most intelligent, competent, capable and most importantly sane" of the main characters, but her life revolves completely around men: her closest friends are male, her mentors are largely male
Female: McGonnagal, Professor Sprout, Trelaney, The astronomy teacher (Aurora), Umbridge,
Male: Flitwick, Snape, "Mad Eye moody", Remus Lupin, Quirrel, Golderoy Lockheart, Hagrid
Its an almost even mix, and would probably come out even if it wasn't for the revolving door of Defense against the dark arts.
even the main enemy is male.
And if he wasn't the charge would be leveled that she was making all women look evil.
This is partly because Harry is the viewpoint character. It's possible Hermoine has all sorts of female bonding going on
Ok, and why does a lack of female bonding indicate a lack of girl power? Do girls HAVE to act in sync with other girls to be a good role model or something?
If there was a balance in protagonists, the Bechdel test would be less important. There would still be films, good films, even feminist films, that failed Bechdel because they had a male lead
The fact is guy stuff makes better movies on the big screen. Giant robots, building sized monsters, explosions, missles, planes, jets zooming and giant robots fighting building sized monsters etc practically beg for the full theater experience.
Guys really like lots of hot chicks and not sausagefests. Just saying Hollywood.
You don't normally have guy stuff with a female lead. Lead character male= you're less likely to pass the test because most of the stuff is about or around the main character.
Because you obviously can't have guy stuff and action and things and still pass the Bechdel test.
Nor does the test only apply to action flicks.
Action flicks are a good chunk of the movies.
Isn't the fact that "guy stuff = awesome stuff" and "girl stuff = too boring for Hollywood" indicative of a gender bias problem in our culture though? I mean, doesn't that seem messed up to you too?
Nope. I don't expect the sexes to be the same, and I don't expect them to like the same things. A girl at a giant robot movie? Nothing unusal. A 90% female audience at a giant robot movie? Kind of odd.
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Which shows how ridiculous the Bechdel test is.
So far, I've found that it's a pretty iron-clad indicator of whether a film has two named female characters who speak one line to each other about something other than men.