grappling freak (best lvl 20 grapple build)


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Bonus points if u can grapple the tarrasque on a 2 or better


Tetori nuff said


Yeah tetori. The ability to negate freedomof movement win the competition.


Yeah but a straight barbar crushes even a good tetori so I am not sure


i think a straight lore-warden would have a better grapple bonus, but less neat stuff.
But, for instance, if you had 20 points in your human fighter favored class thing, you could have a +20 to your grapple cmD, which i think means it's unreasonably hard for the tarrasque to escape if you do manager to pin him with true strikes or something.


Synthesist Summoner, biped base form. Get rid of the claws and use nothing but pincers. Congrats, they're now primary nat weapons despite being 2ndary because it's the only type of nat weapon you have. Get reach, grab, and all size increasing evolutions, as well as buffing strength with them as much as is affordable. Get the grapple feats (Imp/Greater Grapple, Rapid Grappler, whatever else). Buff yourself with enlarge person and whatever other spells tickle your fancy.

You're now size gargantuan with obscenely high str and CMB bonuses and a ton of reach. And every attack you make gets to make a free grapple attempt.


Grab only lets your make free grapple attempts to initiate a grapple, it doesnt give you more grapple attempts after the fact.


Right, you won't be able to maintain all of them. But until your next turn (ie, for 1 entire round during which your allies and those grappled enemies act) when you lack the actions to maintain them all, you'll have a bunch of enemies grappled. And you're free to focus on one to pin, as anyone can.


Yup, that works fine. Of course, you might find yourself the target of more than one enemy, but you're a Synth, you can probably take it =p.

Need a grappler? Why not Zoidberg?

woop woop woop woop!

I'm more of a fan of a Serpentine + Final Embrace + Swallow Whole deal. Get the snake big enough and its swallowing a dragon.


Druid 4 Lore Warden 15 Urban Barbarian 1. With shaping focus you get into huge wildshape forms for +6 size to strength and another +2 size directly to CMB and CMD. You get another +8 to CMB and CMD for having 15 levels of lore warden. The barbarian level gets you a morale bonus to strength for a few rounds, with the urban archetype used to avoid an AC penalty that would impact your CMD.

Strength maxes out at 48 (18 base + 4 for being an orc + 5 for leveling up + 5 inherent + 6 from a belt + 4 for rage + 6 size). That's a maximum CMB of 56 (19 BAB + 19 strength + 4 grapple feats + 8 class feature + 2 size + 4 grab). Checks to maintain a grapple will be at 57. Maximum dex, assuming multiple rolled 18s or an absurdly high point buy, will be 24 (18 + 4 inherent + 6 belt -4 size) so maximum CMD will be 79 (10 + 57 CMB + 7 dex + 5 deflection).

He doesn't have the cute tricks of a tetori, but I think this is the highest CMB and CMD can be pushed.

The tarrasque is larger than huge and therefore immune to grab so this build only has a 52 to grapple it for a 30% chance to grapple, but the tarrasque will only break free of the grapple on a 20, dropping to 19 after rage ends and fatigue sets in. He will maintain 55% of the time.

But wait, there's more. With leadership he can have a cohort, who by level 20 should be level 18 even with his inevitably terrible charisma. A level 18 bard inspires courage for +4, casts greater heroism for another +4, and uses the aid another action for another +2. Our hero now grapples 80% of the time and maintains on a 2. As long as the buffs hold out he maintains on a 2 even after fatigue sets in.


Now we are talking... find a way to get grab other than wild shape and a mask of the giants and u can use enlarge person to get to gargantuan and u can still use it

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