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Being a huge Legion Fan, Long ago I created a Guild of Adventuring do-gooders who would could be utilized as an NPC Organization.
Not Long ago I re-imaged them for Pathfinder.
When I did this I did not try and replicate all of their abilities. What I did was try and fill the 'role' their character had and simulate their abilities loosely. As an example-
4. Luornu Durgo {Human [Varisian], Female} 3rd Monk/10th Rogue---13th Level (Triplicate Girl)
she was good in martial arts and was a spy of sorts and part of the legion espionage squad. Her ability to split into three people managed to 'surprise' her enemies and 'make her 'stealthy'. Short of making things up, the easiest way was to make her a rogue....
So without further adieu here's an overview of 'The Legion'
Benefactor- R.J.Brande {Doppelganger, Male} [4 Racial HD] + 3rd Aristocrat/9th Expert---16th Level
1. Rokk Krinn {Human [Azlanti], Male} 1st Expert/3rd Monk/12th Wizard of Abjuration---16th Level (Cosmic Boy)
2. Garth Ranzz {Half-Elf, Male} 1st Expert/3rd Monk/12th Stormborn Sorcerer---16th Level (Lightning Lad)
3. Imra Ardeen {Human [Ulfen], Female} 1st Aristocrat/3rd Monk/12th Wizard of Divination---16th Level (Saturn Girl)
4. Luornu Durgo {Human [Varisian], Female} 3rd Monk/10th Rogue---13th Level (Triplicate Girl)
5. Tinya Wazzo {Human [Chelaxian], Female} 1st Aristocrat/3rd Monk/9th Ninja---13th Level (Phantom Girl)
6. Kal-El {Human [Taldoran], Male} 1st Commoner/3rd Bard/11th Paladin---15th Level (Superboy)
7. Reep Daggle {Doppelganger- Male) [4 Racial HD] + 7th Wizard of Transmuation/2nd Rogue---13th Level (Chameleon Boy)
8. Gim Allon {Human [Taldoran], Male} 1st Warrior/3rd Monk/4th Wizard of Transmuation/5th Fighter---13th Level (Colossal Boy)
9. Lyle Norg {Human [Taldoran], Male} 1st Expert/9th Alchemist/3rd Rogue---13th Level (Invisible Kid)
10. Thom Kallor {Human [Taldoran], Male} 3rd Monk/10th Wizard of Transmutation---13th Level (Star Boy)
11. James Cullen {Human [Mwangi], Male} 3rd Monk/10th Sorceror Destined Bloodline---13th Level (Kid Quantum)
12. Querl Dox {Elf, Male} 13th Wizard [Generalist] with Monkey Familiar---13th Level (Brainiac 5)
13. Kara Zor-El {Human [Taldoran], Female} 3rd Monk/10th Paladin---13th Level (Supergirl}
14. Laurel Gand {Human [Keleshite], Female} 3rd Monk/10th Cavalier---13th Level
15. Dirk Morgna {Human, [Taldoran], Male} 3rd Monk/10th Wizard of Evocation---13th Level (Sun Boy}
16th. Salu Digby {Human [Keleshite], Female} 3rd Monk/5th Rogue/5th Wizard of Transmuation---13th Level (Shrinking Violet)
17. Chuck Taine {Human [Taldoran], Male} 3rd Monk/10th Alchemist---13th Level (Bouncing Boy)
18. Jo Nah {Human [Chelaxian], Male] 3rd Rogue/3rd Monk/7th Fighter---13th level (Ultra Boy)
19. Lar Gand {Human [Keleshite], Male] 15th Cavalier---15th level. (Mon-El)
20. Tenzil Kem {Human [Azlanti], Male} 3rd Monk/10th Alchemist---13th Level (Matter-Eater Lad)
21. Jan Arrah {Half-Elf, Male} 3rd Monk/10th Wizard of Transmuation---13th Level. (Element Lad)
22. Ayla Ranzz {Half-Elf Female} 3rd Monk/10th Wizard of Elemental-Air---13th Level (Light Lass)
23. Nura Nal (Human [Ulfen] Female) 3rd Monk/10th Sorceror of Dreamspun Bloodline---13th level (Dream Girl)
24. Andrew Nolan (Human [Taldoran] Male} 13th Fighter---13th level (Ferro Lad)
25. Val Armorr {Human [Taldoran] Male} 13th Monk---13th Level (Karate Kid)
26. Projectra Wind'zzor {Elf, Female} 2nd Aristocrat/1st Monk/10th Wizard of Illusions---13th Level (Princess Projectra}
27. Tasmia Mallor {Drow, Female} 3rd Monk/10th Sorceror of Shadows---13th Level (Shadow Lass)
28. Condo Arlik {Human [Azlanti] Male} 3rd Monk/10th Cleric of Irori (Domains- Healing & Strength}---13th Level (Chemical King)
29. Brin Londo {Elf Male} 3rd Monk/10th Barbarian. <Has Lycanthropy- wolf and has mastered it> ---13th level (Timber Wolf)
30. Drake Burroughs {Human [Taldoran] Male} 10th Wizard of Evocation---10th Level (Wildfire)
31. Troy Stewart {Human [Mwangi] Male} 10th Sorceror of Protean Bloodline---10th Level (Tyroc)
32. Dawnstar {Aasimar---has wings, Female] 10th Ranger---10th Level (Dawnstar)
33. Blok (Oread Male) 3rd Monk/7th Fighter---10th Level (Blok)
34. Jacques Foccart {Human [Mwangi] Male} 3rd Monk/3rd Rogue/4th Alchemist---10th Level (Invisible Kid II)
35. Mysa Nal (Human [Ulfen] Female] 10th Witch---1oth Level (White Witch)
36. Pol Krinn (Human [Azlanti] Male] 3rd Monk/7th Wizard of Abjuration---10th Level (Magnetic Kid)
37. Brek Bannin (Human [Ulfen] Male} 3rd Monk/7th Wizard of Evocation---10th Level (Polar Boy)
38. Quislet {Gnome Male) 3rd Monk/7th Gunslinger---10th Level (Quislet)
39. Ganglios (Undine, Male) 3rd Monk/7th Wizard of Divination---10th Level (Tellus)
Tomorrow Ill add the remainder ;)
Why so many monk 3s?
I agree, there are a lot of monks in this.
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because the legion had an ongoing training program to train people in martial arts.
Karate Kid (who in the comics is one of the greatest of martial artists) was the primary trainer. My thoughts were that most of the legion wont use weapons.
I couldve stopped at 1st, but the Still Mind of a third Monk kinda goes with the Legionaires being more resistant than most to mind control. Having time and again been the ones to shrug off Universo's domination of the planet.
Or you could give them Improved Unarmed Strike and Iron Will feats.
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ongoing-
40. E. Davis Ester {Human [Taldoran] Male} 1st Monk/8th Cleric of Gorum (Destruction and Chaos)---9th Level (Calamity King)
41. Ral Benem {Human [Varisian] Male} 1st Monk/8th Sorceror Verdant Bloodline---9th Level (Chlorophyll Kid)
42. Ulu Vakk {Human [Chelaxian] Male} 1st Monk/8th Wizard of Illusions---9th Level {Color Kid}
43. Bobb Kohan {Oread Male] 1st Monk/8th Wizard of Elements- Earth.---9th Level (Crystal Kid)
44. Staq Mavlen {Human [Ulfen] Male] 1st Monk/8th Alchemist---9th Level (Fire Lad)
45. Richard Kent Shakespeare {Human [Chelaxian] Male} 9th Monk---9th Level (Impulse)
46. Drura Sepht {Suli, Female} 1st Monk/8th Cleric of Pharasma (Death & Repose)---9th Level (Infectious Lass)
47. Myg {Human [Tians] Male} 9th Monk---9th Level (Karate Kid II)
48. Berta Skye Haris {Sylph Female} 1st Monk/8th Oracle of Wind---9th Level (Nightwind)
49. Peter Dursin {Human [Taldoran] Male} 1st Monk/8th Druid---9th Level (Porcupine Pete)
50. Stig Ah {Human [Taldoran] Male} 1st Monk/8th Wizard of Abjuration---9th Level (Reflecto)
51. Dag Wentim {Oread Male} 1st Monk/8th Oracle of Stone---9th Level (Stone Boy)
52. Rhent Ustin {Human [Taldoran] Male} 1st Monk/8th Wizard of Evocation---9th Level (Visi-Lad)
53. Brita An'nan {Half-Elf Female} 1st Monk/7th Sorceror Arcane Bloodline---8th Level (Kono)
54. Celeste Rockfish {Human [Varisian] Female] 1st Monk/7th Inquisitor---8th Level (Neon)
55. Devlin O'Ryan {Human [Ulfen] Male} 1st Monk/7th Wizard of Abjuration---8th Level (Reflex)
56. Sussa Paka {Human [Ulfen] Female} 1st Monk/7th Sorceror Aberration Bloodline---8th Level (Spider Girl)
57. Pete Ross {Human [Ulfen] Male} 8th Expert---7th Level (-)
58. Gnill Opril {Human [Vudrani] Male} 7th Wizard of Transmutation---7th Level (Kid Psycho)
59. Lana Lang {Human [Ulfen] Femae] 1st Monk/6th Druid---7th Level (Insect Queen)
60. Jimmy Olsen {Human [Ulfen] Male} 1st Monk/6th Sorceor Aberrant Bloodline---7th Level (Elastic Lad)
61. Rond Vidar {Human [Chelaxian] Male] 1st Monk/6th Summoner---7th Level (Green Lantern)
62. April Dumaka {Catfolk Female} 1st Monk/5th Ranger---6th Level (Catspaw)
63. Danielle Foccart {Human [Mwangi] Female} 1st Monk/5th Expert---6th Level (Computo II)
64. Xao Jin {Human [Tians] Male} 1st Monk/5th Sorceror Dragon Bloodline---6th Level (Dragonmage)
65. Jenni Ognats {Human [Mwangi] Female} 1st Monk/5th Wizard of Transmutation---6th Level (Xs)
66. Zoe Saugin {Human [Ulfen] Female] 1st Monk/5th Wizard of Transmutation---6th Level (Kinetix)
67. Ti'julk Mr'asz {Aranea Male} [5 Racial HD]/9th Wizard (Generalist)---14th Level (Gates)
68. Kon-El {Human [Chelaxian] Male} 2nd Monk/4th Magus---6th Level (Superboy II)
69. Dyrk Magz {Human [Azlanti] Male 1st Monk/5th Wizard of Abjuration---6th Level (Magno)
70. Sandy Anderson {Human [Taldoran] Female} 1st Monk/5th Wizard of Evocation (Inferno)
71. Candi Pyponte-Le Parc III {Orc Female} 6th Monk---6th Level (Monstress)
72. Jazmin Cullen {Human [Mwangi] Female} 1st Monk/5th Sorceror Destined Bloodline---6th Level (Kid Quantum II)
73. CeCe Beck {Aasimar Female} 6th Oracle of Battle---6th Level (Thunder)
74. Shikari Lonestar {Pixie Female} [4 Racial HD]+ 1st Ranger---5th Level (Shikari)
75. Izor {Human [Garundi] Male] 5th Expert---5th level (Gear)
76. Rol Purtha {Human [Varisian] Male} 4th Wizard of Divinations---4th Level (Dream Boy)
77. Giselle Smith {Human [Garundi] Female] 4th Monk---4th Level (Gazelle)
78. Lydda Jath {Human [Chelaxian] Female} 1st Monk/3rd Rogue---4th Level (Night Girl)
79. Teela Spuunvll {Tiefling Female} 1st Monk/3rd Wizard of Abjuration---4th Level (Sizzle)
80. Bogdan Tarka {Undine Male} 1st Monk/3rd Fighter---4th Level (Turtle)
81. Yera Allon {Doppelganger Female} [4 Racial HD]---4th Level (Chameleon Girl)
82. Kirt Niedrigh {Human [Ulfen] Male} 3rd Summoner/10th Fighter---13th Level (Earth-Man)
83. Grava {Sylph Female} 1st Monk/8th Sorceror Elemental Bloodline---9th Level (Comet Queen)
84. Hadru Jamik {Human [Vudrani] Male} 1st Monk/2nd Wizard of Transmutation---3rd Level (Chemical Kid II)
85. Glorith {Human [Varisian] Female} 1st Monk/2nd Witch---3rd Level (Glorith)
86. Marya Pai {Human [Tians] Female} 1st Monk/2nd Sorceror Dragon Bloodline---3rd Level (Dragonwing)
87. Harmonia Li {Human [Tians] Female] 1st Monk/2nd Sorceror Elemental Bloodline---3rd Level (Harmonia)
88. Shvaughn Erin {Human [Taldoran] Female] 3rd Warrior---3rd Level
89. Dr. Gym'll {Gnome, Male} 3rd Alchemist---3rd Level
I think that your logic maybe a bit flawed. Captain America trains Avengers. Wolverine trained Shadowcat in martial arts. That does not mean that any of them have levels in monk.
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ahhh but then the Avengers do not have an Avenger's Academy (well until recently) where they teach hand to hand combat and use of flight rings and such either do they ;) yet the Legion Academy has been around since mabe the first year of Legion Books.
besides logic cannot be flawed when its all about opinions.
Im not trying to play a super hero game. If I was I wouldn't be choosing Pathfinder. Rather Im taking an organization that is based on a super hero group and trying to re-image them into a comaptible system
After all Cosmic Boy is like a Junior Magneto, yet I don't here you saying by making him an Abjuror my logic is flawed. ;)
look at what a 3rd level monks has... none of that suspends belief of the genre. Primarily I want them not to be carrying swords and such. (for the most part). Wizards who can do 1-6 damage with their hands is hardly horrible.
No they dont. However, not everything will translate or should tranlate between the genres.
Logic can be flawed however, if the argument that is being made is flawed. The example given is not logically sound.
Yes I do.
Now that you mention it, why an abjurer?
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Looked at the spell lists. Trying to come up with a decent way to mimic what Cos does with his magnetism. (Repulsion was one of the big ones I looked at. Cos primarily uses his powers to defend. and then some TK kind of effects.
So do you disgree (knowing you read the Legion helps) that most the Legion are better hand to hand combatants than regular folks?
Am I wrong for thinking its better mimicry to have them fighting with hands than staves? ;)
Just because they are better at hand to hand does not necessarily make them monks. Just because a person has studied MMA does not make them an MMA fighter. Just because I like to make cookies does not make me a baker.
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Just because they are better at hand to hand does not necessarily make them monks. Just because a person has studied MMA does not make them an MMA fighter. Just because I like to make cookies does not make me a baker.
right. As you said, not everything translates. However, in my mind...my opionion...I like what it brings. If you don't like then how would you do it? a criticism without an alternative isnt helpful.
To me I merely look at what it brings not the 'class'-
+1 to BAB, A bonus Feat, Stunning Fist (the ability to stun an opponent with an attack- sounds like non-lethal combat to me) unarmed strike- yes please. 1d6 unarmed damage- yes I like. another bonus feat, evasion (can you say using flight rings to avoid danger in the comics---yep) and fast movement....sure sounds like legionaires rushing past people.
and a good many of them will only get unarmed strike, a bonus feat, stunning fist and 1-6 damage.
The synergy works well with how I imagine an Organization of Good Vigilante's in a Pathfinder world.
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I'm impressed with the list...I've been reading LSH since the 80's, and you've got folks from multiple legions there, the substitute legion, some associated characters, but if you're going to mention Shvaughn, you shouldn't leave out Gigi, or Chief Zendak... :)
Also Dev-Em.Long Live the Legion!
Gigi and Cheif Zendak were side players and not 'part' of the Legion. Shvaughn was their science police liason...so shes the Taldoran Guard Liason...
Oh yeah their 'tower' is In Taldor. If ever their was a country that needed vigilantes to keep evil from gaining a foothold, Taldor is it.
Now Chief Zendak as The Capt of the local prcinct is a good idea, and Gigi as Shvaughns friend in the Guard works too.
How did I forget Dev Em ;)
This might be the greatest Legion list I have ever seen. Thank you....
What do you think of the new 52
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Legion in the new 52 is largely a throwback to the third retcon? I think, and comes right out of Legion of three worlds.
The only thing I dont really care for is Legion Lost. Ive never thought it workd to have legionairres stuck on earth. Karate Kid's book was good way back when...but that was an exception.
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I am thoroughly impressed by your dedication. I was an avid Vs. System player and when the Legion of Superheroes set came out... Well they were the butt of a lot of jokes (I admit they are still cooler than the New Gods). I'm a little sad to say that becuase of their representation there I never really gave them a chance. The opinions here make me want to give'em a shot.
I would say keep them single classes but give them traits or the feats for what you want them to be able to do.
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Legion in the new 52 is largely a throwback to the third retcon? I think, and comes right out of Legion of three worlds.
The only thing I dont really care for is Legion Lost. Ive never thought it workd to have legionairres stuck on earth. Karate Kid's book was good way back when...but that was an exception.
I don't mind Legion Lost so much because it gives an opportunity to see more of the legion in action - the cast is so big you don't see but a few characters each issue. Legion Lost, set in the present time, gives an opportunity for writers to introduce crossovers with more of the mainstream books and introduce the Legion to a wider audience who haven't seen them yet. That being said, I'd be selfishly happy with relaunching "Legionnaires" and have two books set in the 31st century, rather than Legion Lost.
The current Legion membership resembles to a large degree the legion I grew up with, with a couple additions from in between (Gates, for example) But of all the legion stories, Zero Hour was the worst...I mean, come on, Cos as the Time Trapper? gimme a break.
I really miss Kieth Giffen's work and the "5 years later" storyline though. He's probably my favorite Legion artist.
Statting them out might be helpful so that you can see what they are doing as you have them and so you know what you might want them to do.
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yeah In my haste to post him from work yesterday I mixed him up with Sodam Yat.
so let me redo.
90. Dev-Em {Human [Taldoran] Male} 7th Fighter---7th Level (-)
91. Sodam Yat {Human [Keleshite] Male} 3rd Cavalier/8th Summoner 11th Level (Green Lantern)
and I havent forgot that I am going to post up one of the characters done as I would like and as Shalafi2412 suggests to compare.
Great to hear!
As a legion fan, I approve of this thread.
LONG LIVE THE LEGION!!!!!
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Sussa / Spider-Girl might work using the Witch option with the animated hair, instead of the Aberrant Sorcerer.
Chameleon Boy/Girl as a Synthesist Summoner could also be a strange, strange way to model their shapeshifting talents.
Interesting notion. 3.5, with the Warlock as a 'chassis' to build the various blasters like Lightning Lad and Sun Boy, or 4th edition, with the assortment of 'blast all day' options among the various classes, would probably be easier to work with than Pathfinder.
OTOH, with a huge tweak, Pathfinder's Domain/Bloodline/School powers could be boosted up at the cost of spell access. For instance, one could make a 'Lightning Lass' out of an Air Domain Cleric who has unlimited use of her lightning bolt, and can expend her spell slots to increase the dice of damage done by her 1st level lightning bolt option (but not cast non-Domain spells normally, just using them as a battery to generate increasingly powerful lightning bolts).
For another fun Legion-to-game conversion, Legion Magic Cards.
Why the heck would Supes have BARD levels, of all things?
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M&M has an Inspire type feat outside of a typical Bard class structure, and I think it would *totally* fit for superheroes who have been portrayed as inspiring leaders, like Captain America, or Superman, neither of whom seem to be particularly big on music.
Using just d20, a level of Bard to nab inspire courage doesn't seem out of line for either (more Cap than Supes, perhaps). Or some sort of 'inspire dread' variation for Bat-dude...
ahhh but then the Avengers do not have an Avenger's Academy (well until recently) where they teach hand to hand combat and use of flight rings and such either do they ;) yet the Legion Academy has been around since mabe the first year of Legion Books.
besides logic cannot be flawed when its all about opinions.
Im not trying to play a super hero game. If I was I wouldn't be choosing Pathfinder. Rather Im taking an organization that is based on a super hero group and trying to re-image them into a comaptible system
After all Cosmic Boy is like a Junior Magneto, yet I don't here you saying by making him an Abjuror my logic is flawed. ;)
look at what a 3rd level monks has... none of that suspends belief of the genre. Primarily I want them not to be carrying swords and such. (for the most part). Wizards who can do 1-6 damage with their hands is hardly horrible.
Actually Captain America has trained most of the Avengers in hand to hand combat. They have a training room in both the Mansion and the Tower.
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M&M has an Inspire type feat outside of a typical Bard class structure, and I think it would *totally* fit for superheroes who have been portrayed as inspiring leaders, like Captain America, or Superman, neither of whom seem to be particularly big on music.
Using just d20, a level of Bard to nab inspire courage doesn't seem out of line for either (more Cap than Supes, perhaps). Or some sort of 'inspire dread' variation for Bat-dude...
and bardic performance is not limited to song or instruments but could be oratory, poetry, dance, Mime, Comedy, Drama etc...Any form of performance ;)
so i agree.
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Actually Captain America has trained most of the Avengers in hand to hand combat. They have a training room in both the Mansion and the Tower.ahhh but then the Avengers do not have an Avenger's Academy (well until recently) where they teach hand to hand combat and use of flight rings and such either do they ;) yet the Legion Academy has been around since mabe the first year of Legion Books.
besides logic cannot be flawed when its all about opinions.
Im not trying to play a super hero game. If I was I wouldn't be choosing Pathfinder. Rather Im taking an organization that is based on a super hero group and trying to re-image them into a comaptible system
After all Cosmic Boy is like a Junior Magneto, yet I don't here you saying by making him an Abjuror my logic is flawed. ;)
look at what a 3rd level monks has... none of that suspends belief of the genre. Primarily I want them not to be carrying swords and such. (for the most part). Wizards who can do 1-6 damage with their hands is hardly horrible.
Im a huge Cap fan and Id agree in a few cases Like Hawkeye. However more than likely theyd just get a feat of unarmed combat. The Avengers traning room is more to hone powers as opposed to the Legion Academy which makes them do hand to hand combat a bot more extensively. But I can see your point.
Just cause I have no clue here, but isnt number 6 Kal-El Superboy (isnt Kon-El Superboy? And Kal-El = Superman?) Sorry if this correct - I dont read Legion, just curious.