Need a back up dwarf

[DrDeth]

Ok, guys, I am kicking around ideas for a back up for my Dwarf paladin/Hospitaler. We are 8th level, all Dwarves. Core & APG only, with feats from the two Ultimate books, and the Dwarf book. 20 pt buy, dumping CHA is not good.

We lack ranged attacks somewhat. We have a battle oracle, a white witch, a summoner, a inquisitor, myself the paladin, and joining us will be a wizard. Pretty much, duplicates are frowned upon.

Cleric would be nice, as you can see, but they are not much for ranged, and Torag is the deity of choice.

No “ye olde magik shoppe” so altho we have some cool loot, you can’t rely upon buying a particular magic thing.

[RumpinRufus]

SEX DWARF! [NSFW link]

Luring disco dollies to a life of vice:

Sex Dwarf
Bard (Diva)
strength 16, dexterity 12, constitution 14, intelligence 8, wisdom 10, charisma 14
traits: Dirty Fighter, Prehensile Whip
weapons: whip, sap
1: Weapon Focus (whip), Famous, Distraction, Fascinate, Inspire Courage
2: Prima Donna, Versatile Performance
3: Whip Mastery, Devastating Aria
4:
5: Breadth of Experience, Costume Proficiency
6: Suggestion
7: Improved Whip Mastery
8: Scathing Tirade
9: Persuasive, Inspire Greatness
10: Jack-of-All-Trades
11: Enforcer
cantrips: daze, message, unwitting ally
1st level: Unnatural Lust, Beguiling Gift, Charm Person
2nd level: Reckless Infatuation, Hold Person, Eagle's Splendor, Enthrall, Honeyed Tongue
3rd level: Lesser Geas, Deep Slumber, Confusion
4th level: Dominate Person, Mass Daze
5th level: Joyful Rapture, Mind Fog, Mass Suggestion
6th level: Euphoric Tranquility, Mass Charm Monster, Waves of Ecstasy, Pied Piping
skills: Diplomacy, Intimidate, Sleight of Hand, Perform (dance), Profession (sex dwarf)

You have to play the linked song whenever your Inspire Courage is active.

[Bearlock]

Maybe a ranger? Since you say you lack ranged support, guessing the inquisitor is melee focused. You can wear med armor without paying movement penalty, take the archery combat style, switch off to a falchion or greataxe or warhammer or whatever. You will also be able to skill-monkey a little bit, group seems pretty slim on that front, and you can pick up a wand of CLW to help out with the healing.

[DrDeth]

That could work.

[Zotpox]

Go with Sneezy.

[Piccolo]

I'd say a Rogue. They do the skill monkey thing better, and they always have high Dex, which means decent projectile damage. Plus with Weapon Finesse and a rapier, you can do decent melee damage up close.

[Pendagast]

I dont think a back up dwarf is a good idea, I mean if you have a lifted truck you wont be able to see him and he becomes tire jelly. Go with a back up half orc, at least you can see his hand and arm signals.

[Animation]

Back up dwarf to me implies a back up singer. How about a Bard? :) I have seen some archery-focused bard builds somewhere on these forums. Plus he'd be a natural skill monkey, and he would keep with your theme of "holy cow, everybody casts a ton of spells" party. :)

Tho I guess classes that dont cast spells or that even have them as low progression (instead of medium or high) are pretty few and far between in Pathfinder/3.x.

[Pendagast]

a dwarf singing the do wops and the ooh ooh ohs?

[Jaatu Bronzescale]

Alchemist for bombing goodness? Synergizes with the wizard for spellbook loot, and can bind bombs to missles if you need greater range.

[Bomanz]

Soft Cell had more than one song. Who knew.

@RumpinRufus: You sir, are sick sick sick. and I love you for it.

[Bearlock]

Dwarves have to be strictly back up. They don't have the grace to master the slide out of the line up

This is what I mean

Back to topic though, I would stay with ranger. Yeah rogue has more skills, bard would have the same amount of skills and spells, however what they do not have, and neither does anyone in your party, is a full BAB, d10 hd, AND the ability to perform well at range and in melee. All that and good hunk of skills? You'd be the all-star.

Vote ranger bro. You want to. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[Raisse]

If it's allowed, the Foehammer fighter archetype is pretty cool. Bull rushes and hammers, what's not to like?

[Byrdology]

Zen archer?

[DrDeth]

Byrdology wrote:

Zen archer?

Now on my list as a possibility.

[Piccolo]

Ah, I take it you are of the school that dislikes Rogues. Oh well.

[Reynard_the_fox]

Dude, Dwarf monk? That s#$+ would be awesome. If you need ranged support I'd definitely say Zen Archer.

[Rynjin]

Empyreal Sorcerer might be neat. Make him a blasty casty since it doesn't look like you have one yet.

"I hold the Wisdom of the Ancients, and they demand that I smite thee sir! LIGHTNING BOLT!"

[DrDeth]

Piccolo wrote:

Ah, I take it you are of the school that dislikes Rogues. Oh well.

No, but ranger does better at ranged attacks.

[Byrdology]

Dwarven barbarian/ rogue (scout). Battle rager! See here for all flavor issues.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Thibbledorf_Pwent

Thibbledorf Pwent FTW!

[Bearlock]

Piccolo wrote:

Ah, I take it you are of the school that dislikes Rogues. Oh well.

I wouldn't say that anyone has expressed "dislike" for rogues, but rangers can do ranged combat better. (Range, Ranger? See its right there. Yeah I amuse myself.) While a Rogue will probably have a good Dex score, making him accurate at range, it's handicapped by a 3/4 BAB, and the majority of their damage output comes from SA. Which has been long been lamented as being very difficult to get on ranged attacks.

[Weirdo]

If the party lacks ranged attacks, definitely make a ranged character.

Zen archers are very nice, especially if you start them at 3rd level or above where you get to use Wis to your bow attacks immediately (and the dwarven Wis bonus is very nice here). The UAS benefit means that you will threaten adjacent spaces while using a bow, and Point Blank Master at level 3 means you won't provoke, so they lack the standard archer vulnerability to getting trapped in melee range.

Ranger is also a solid choice and probably has the advantage in ranged/melee versatility (they're the classic switch hitters) and in skills, with more skill points and benefits like Track - or switch to Urban Ranger and get trapfinding at level 3. The spells are nice, too, though with that party maybe not so big a deal.

Don't think you can go wrong with either class.