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I am attempting to build an Eidolon who is capable of unleashing a flurry of powerful attacks, but without all the extra arms. I figured I'll just give her a pair of Cestuses and let her take the Two Weapon Fighting tree, but I'm wondering how her claws would work into the attack routine.
So, with a pair of +5 speed cestuses and the Greater Two Weapon Fighting feat, would my attack routine look like this:
Cestus +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+8/+8 and 2 claws +10/+10?
Or just the cestus? Or the cestus and one claw? I'm confused.
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You can only benefit from the speed enhancement once. It does not stack with itself, or anything similar.
You can use both cestus and both claws. The claws can be applied to the legs, and you can use the cestus in it's hands.
I thought when you make an attack with an actual weapon, your remaining natural attacks all became secondary attacks?
Oh nevermind I was reading the +13's as your claw attacks and wondering what was up
But what was up was my terrible reading comprehension
Hey! What's that over there?!
*runs*
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I knew about the secondary attacks part. If you look above, you can see I already applied the -5 penalty to both my claws.
But if I use my cestuses and I have claws on my hands, I can't use the claws on my hands? Even when the cestus doesn't cover them? The cestus says "Your fingers are still uncovered, allowing you to use them for other purposes".
Man my gut is telling me that's a no-no, that you should treat a cestus the same as like a longsword or any other weapon and not allow natural attacks with the claws on that hand if that hand wielded a weapon as a primary attack already.
The finger-rule thing under the Cestus rules seems to imply that you don't have to take the dang things off to like turn a door knob or pick something up or use a skill, though they make using more subtly-dextrous skills harder, when you have them on.
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Natural Attacks
"Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type."
Answer.
But if I use my cestuses and I have claws on my hands, I can't use the claws on my hands?
Natural Attacks: "Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam)."
Reading 1: Both the claw and the cestus occupy the same limb (arm) so they can't be used together.
Reading 2: The cestus is not "clutched" in the limb, it's worn, so it doesn't prevent the claw attack.
If the cestus is on the same limb as your claws, you cannot use both in the same round.
Natural Attacks: "Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam)."
This is not relevant to the thread, but I just realized this means if you have a bite and gore attack, and you use a boulder helmet, you only forgo one of those natural attacks. But if you also use a barbazu beard, you lose both of them, because you have two weapons on the same limb (head).