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Tiefling Neutral – claws alternate trait (which loses darkness)
Str 14, Dex 14 (12+2), Con 14, Int 12 (10+2), Wis 8, Cha 14 (16-2) (but it will be 16 for sorc abilities and spells)
1 (martial ?) / 4 sorc (crossblooded infernal and draconic black) / dragon disciple 7
1 intimidating prowess
2 acid spells +1/die damage(BL), charm spells +2 DC(BL), dragon claws (no real bonus until 6th level)(BL)
3 weapon focus claws
4 +1 charisma, resist acid 5(BL), +1 nat arm(BL), mage armor(BL)
5 iron will
6 scorching ray(BL), claws are magic(BL), +2 nat arm(DD)
7 fiend sight, +2 str(DD), bite(DD), improved initiative(DD)
8 +1 charisma, fly(BL), power attack(BL), claws d6(BL), breath weapon(DD)
9 bouncing spell, +4 str (DD), +3 nat arm(DD)
10 resist acid 10(BL), +4 nat arm(BL), hellfire(BL), charm monster(BL), blindsense 30’(DD), spell penetration(DD)
11 second fiend sight, +2 con(DD)
Biggest complaint I hear on DD martial claw/caster mix is limited claws per day. The tiefling trait will give them all the time, though without the extra specials.
As I understand it, the Tiefling alternate subraces are NOT allowed for PFS play. Please tell me if that is incorrect. I really like some of them way better.
Not sure what martial class to chose since only a single level. Maybe lore warden since I’m not going to wear armor any way and that would give me lots of class skills. But I’m not going to hae huge amounts of skill points to put in them. Also considering just dropping the martial class altogether and adding another level of sorcerer. Recommendations?
Have not chosen the sorcerer spells yet. Though I’m thinking a ray attack of each level since my spell DC will not be as high as most sorcerers. Other than that probably largely buffs.
Thoughts or suggestions?
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Pitborn tiefling gives STR/CHA.
My Skull and Shackles DD is:
Urban Barbarian/Invulnerable Rager 2
Ninja 2
Crossblooded Draconic/Abyssal Sorcerer 1
Dragon Disciple X (currently 2)
He's a complete beast in melee and can intimidate well, but outside of that he lacks much usefulness due to low intelligence. I use the "maw" portion of Maw or Claw to gain a bite attack and my sorcerer bloodline ability to gain claws. I also use my kind points to boost my speed when necessary or to get an extra attack and I use lesser fiend totem to get a gore attack while raging.
Go bard.
Drop sorcerer entirely bard 5/ dragon disciple 7
you miss out on a feat and breath weapon, but pick up so much more, better BAB, better AC (casting in armor), heal spells, more out of combat worth, skills skills skills,plus you could take either the sandman archetype and get steal spell , sneak attack and disarm magical traps, or arcane duelist for arcane strike and rallying cry.
If you are worried about claws, it seems you might want more of a meleeist (especially asking about a melee class)
this way you will get the BAB out of it as well, and not have to take another class, oh and did i mention skills??
For PFS, the random roll alternative racial abilities are not allowed. The alternative heritages (pitborn for example) are legal.
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I went with Barbarian (Savage Barbarian) 3, Sorcerer (Draconic) 2, and the rest Dragon Disciple. Half-Orc with the Toothy racial substitution.
He's a total monster. Savage Barb gives bonuses for not wearing armor. With Mage Armor's long duration, his AC his typically around 22-23. And when a particularly nasty fight breaks out, he can cast Shield on himself before he starts raging.
It's obviously not as powerful as a straight Barbarian, but it's still a lot of fun.
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Excellent news!
Tiefling Pitborn heritage - Neutral – claws alternate trait (which loses darkness)
Str 14(12+2), Dex 12, Con 12, Int 10 (12-2), Wis 12, Cha 18 (16+2) (but it will be 20 for sorc abilities and spells)
1 barbarian / 4 sorcerer (crossblooded infernal and draconic black) / dragon disciple 7
1 intimidating prowess
2 acid spells +1/die damage(BL), charm spells +2 DC(BL), dragon claws (no real bonus until 6th level)(BL)
3 weapon focus claws
4 +1 charisma, resist acid 5(BL), +1 nat arm(BL), mage armor(BL)
5 iron will
6 scorching ray(BL), claws are magic(BL), +2 nat arm(DD)
7 fiend sight, +2 str(DD), bite(DD), improved initiative(DD)
8 +1 charisma, fly(BL), power attack(BL), claws d6(BL), breath weapon(DD)
9 bouncing spell, +4 str (DD), +3 nat arm(DD)
10 resist acid 10(BL), +4 nat arm(BL), hellfire(BL), charm monster(BL), blindsense 30’(DD), spell penetration(DD)
11 second fiend sight, +2 con(DD)
Barbarian will give me martial weapons, fast movement, and a rage for the BBEG.
I am not wanting a primarily melee machine. I want the switch hitter. Cast against melee guys. Melee against caster or highly resistant enemies.
Plus I am finding it nearly impossible to always stay out of melee combat. Yes, you can say it is bad group tactics (I don't necessarily always agree), but it is what is happening. My pure sorc has not been doing well. This should make a more survivable PC that has something to do when out of spells or against things that the spells don't seem to harm very much.
Not wanting bard for this build. Not enough of a caster and personally I don't think it matches well with the concept of the dragon disciple. Though I will admit, the skills are great. I am considering another PC that will be a bard to try and get over my dislike of the bard class. But that will be another thread.
If you want to be primarily a caster without mixing it up in melee all that much, you don't really need to be a tiefling and get permaclaws.
Go Red, human and pick up both Spell Focus and Spell Specialization for Burning hands and you are doing 3d6+3 damage out the gate. Then you can pick up a level of Barbarian, and go back to Sorc until you are ready for DD. Without Crossblooded, you can get it by level 5. (I can't remember if Magical Knack is a PFS trait, but if it is, then at that time you will be doing two rays). With a 14 Str, it would be worth it to pick up a long spear and use your party as humanoid shields if you run out of claws or want to save them for emergencies. By the time you get Alter Self, you can use that to give yourself as much claw and bite action as you want.
If you don't want to go Barb, pick up a level of Rogue Thug so when you roll well on your intimidate, your enemies actually flee. Gimmie some of that old school dragon fear and a ton of skill points while you're at it. That and if your enemies are flat footed, you actually can get an extra d6 from your ray spells.
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I didn’t think that Tiefling Pitborn was all that great a sacrifice.
Get a +2 to both str and cha. With another +2 to cha for sorc abilities.
Claws (at the cost of shatter, which is a decent spell but I could take if I really want it)
Darkvision
Access to the fiend sight feat twice which gives lowlight vision, 120’ dark vision, and can see in magical darkness
3 types of energy resistance
I was going to say no to the spell specialization until I re-read it. I never noticed that it allows you to change the spell it applies to. But would that only be for even levels of the sorc class and not the DD class? If so it would only be on a 2nd level spell, not on my eventual 4th level spell. If it works for total caster levels I will probably go with this. If not, I probably won’t.
I hadn’t selected traits yet. Magical knack is not legal for PFS. Otherwise I would definitely take it.
I guess I hadn’t read the transmutation section close enough to realize that Alter Self can give you a claw attack.
I had not thought of the thugs frightening effect. That is very thematic with the dragon. I will consider it.
Yeah, agreed the str could go up and the cha come down a couple. I will think about it.
I don’t think I want to do 2 levels of ranger. Giving up a feat and level of casting for a +1 to damage is not worth it.
Go bard. Drop sorcerer entirely bard 5/ dragon disciple 7
Hear, hear! I'd suggest bard 6/dd X, to pick up 3rd spell level, save increase, BAB increase, but since it's PFS and you really want FotD I as pinnacle of your career I agree whole-heartedly that bard 5/dd 7 is great. Go Arcane Duelist and you'll get Arcane Strike as bonus feat at first level boosting your damage, too.
Oh, and how come nobody mentioned the guide Oterisk had compiled: much goodness awaits!
Ruyan.
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... Oh, and how come nobody mentioned the guide Oterisk had compiled: much goodness awaits!
Ruyan.
Oh, I have definitely spent a goodly amount of time with his guide. I mentioned in the other threads where I attempted to make a DD I like. I just for got to this time.
ALL HAIL OTERISK ! ! !
Hey, don't get me wrong. I love the Pitborn thing. But you were describing a blaster with a little combat capability, so that's what I gave you. If you are stuck on Tiefling it won't ruin your character or anything. (Don't you need a boon to play Tiefling in PFS?)
The only trouble with Pitborn and your decided Crossblooded bloodlines is that Infernal is for Devils. The pit is for Demons. You should go with Abyssal. You can also eventually boost your Strength this way too, so it's not a terrible choice.
Prestige classes usually include a line like this: "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class". I think that should suit your purposes quite well for spell specialization. Although if you are still unconvinced, you can go to the Rules forum and ask. I'm sure there will be plenty of spirited opinions on the matter and a few trolls to liven it up if there isn't.
ALL HAIL OTERISK ! ! !
Aw, shucks.
Frankly I'm just happy that someone spelled my name right.