Martial Artist + Other Archetypes = Any Alignment?


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So, let's say you want a monk. Specifically, you want a monk archetype that isn't Martial Artist.

However, you also don't want the lawful restriction... so, you do look at Martial Artist.

Now, assuming the archetypes in question stack, does this let the monk be nonlawful?

I'm leaning towards yes, I think... It's more or less like replacing the alignment restriction, as archetypes normally would. That is...

Any Lawful -> Any Alignment
Base abilities -> Their respective changes/replacements
Base Monk Class -> New Archetyped Monk Class

Thoughts?


While in theory your questions answer is 'yes' in practice it is unworkable.

In order to put two archetypes of the same class on a character neither archetype can modify the same ability. Martial Artist modifies most of the monk's special abilities. As a result, you would be hard pressed to find a Paizo Monk Archetype that works with Martial Artist.

- Gauss

Grand Lodge

Qinggong Monk stacks.

Yes, there is no real way that any stackable archetypes negate the each others abilities.

Martial Artist alters the alignment restriction class feature.

If another archetype were some how doing the same(none do), then they wouldn't stack.


Aw, Martial Artist does replace Perfect Self. They snuck that into Extreme Endurance.

I was looking at Master of Many Styles which only changes the bonus feats, Flurry of Blows, and Perfect Self. Didn't notice Martial Artist replaced the last one.

So, that puts a stop on the original idea, but in theory, it does seem to remove the alignment restriction then? Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.


Besides Qinggong, Sensei, Student of Stone (Oread), and Underfoot Adept (Halfling) all stack with Martial Artist.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Qinggong Monk stacks.

Yes, there is no real way that any stackable archetypes negate the each others abilities.

Martial Artist alters the alignment restriction class feature.

If another archetype were some how doing the same(none do), then they wouldn't stack.

while it stacks, it doesn't work that well as the martial artist gives up ki pool.

Grand Lodge

That is true.

There are other ways to gain a Ki Pool.


the only archetype it can stack with is apparently sensei.


Bearded Ben wrote:
...Student of Stone (Oread)...

It... does, doesn't it? I get the feeling Stone Self was meant to replace Perfect Self, but it actually doesn't say as much on the PRD. Well.


Ok, not so hard pressed. :)

But the list is limited. Of the current list: Qinggong is unusable without a ki pool, Sensei and Student of Stone both require a ki pool for certain abilities. It seems only Underfoot adept works completely.

Of course, as BBT stated there may be other ways to gain a Ki Pool.

- Gauss


weapon adept stacks i believe.


MiniGM wrote:
weapon adept stacks i believe.

nope extreme endurance and pure power both replace perfect self.

also my previous post didn't take into account racial archetypes, my bad

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