Dervish of the Dawn Question

[MiniGM]

Dervish of the Dawn Here

He gets Dervish dance for free, does this mean he does not need weapon finesse?

[Seranov]

Yup.

[Marthian]

Echoing a yup.

Do note it doesn't give you weapon finesse either, so you still use str for everything else as normal.

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

Ummm, so are we talking about the Dervish of Dawn Fighter Archetype, or the Dawnflower Dervish Bard Archetype?

[Nicos]

You still need weapon fineese to use your dex to your hit roll.

[Artanthos]

Nicos wrote:

You still need weapon fineese to use your dex to your hit roll.

Dervish Dance allow dexterity for to-hit and damage.

Dervish Dance wrote:

Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.

[Cheapy]

I think the old version was "just" Dex to Damage, but it was updated to include to-hit as well.

[cartmanbeck]

Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:

Ummm, so are we talking about the Dervish of Dawn Fighter Archetype, or the Dawnflower Dervish Bard Archetype?

It's the Dawnflower Dervish archetype for the Bard. The name had to be changed on d20pfsrd.com for legal reasons.

[Nicos]

yep, I was wrong. It seems that the dervish of dawn is A very dipeable archetype.

[Seranov]

Cheapy wrote:

I think the old version was "just" Dex to Damage, but it was updated to include to-hit as well.

No, it always gave Dex to hit, too. A Scimitar isn't a finesse weapon, so Weapon Finesse did jack squat for it, besides act as a prereq for Dervish Dance.

[Cheapy]

Well, that rumor had to start somewhere, and I figured that'd be the best place for it to start.