I'd probably do a large chakram.
thats way bigger than "Large"
I think you'd best be happy with a new weapon writeup. it needs a proper name though. "Hula Hoop" sound kinda lame and thats all i can think of
Ring Blade (Exotic Melee Weapon)
Cost: 50gp Dmg: 1d6/2d4(S) Crit: x3 Wt: 8 lbs Special: Finesse, Double, Monk
Eiserne Drossel (Iron Thrush)
+2 Keen, Ki Focus, Vicious Ring Blade
Ring Blade (Exotic Melee Weapon)
Cost: 50gp Dmg: 1d6/2d4(S) Crit: x3 Wt: 8 lbs Special: Finesse, Double, MonkEiserne Drossel (Iron Thrush)
+2 Keen, Ki Focus, Vicious Ring Blade
This sounds pretty good and doesn't look to powerful, I especially like the idea of making it a monk weapon.
I'd like to see more so I have a variety to show my GM.
thats way bigger than "Large"
I think you'd best be happy with a new weapon writeup. it needs a proper name though. "Hula Hoop" sound kinda lame and thats all i can think of
I'd use the stats for the scimitar (including the ability to use with with dervish dance) and call it a day.
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Sorry sir wrong person. The name is a reference to a Deadlands Character I play
You can make any weapon you want, really, as long as it fits within the current weapon design template and your DM approves it. The die type barely matters, but should be considered based on the weapon's other properties. The crit range/modifier and the special properties are the most important. IE, a weapon with a x3 or x4 crit should not have a 19-20 or better crit modifier (I'm looking at you Falcata!), and a weapon with a large crit range should not have a massive die type (2d6 18-20 x2 is a bit much). What Gigerstreak proposes is a good option, though I tend to like finesse weapons that have a higher crit range than higher crit modifier.
I might suggest the following:
Ring Blade: Exotic, 2 handed, melee weapon
Cost: 50gp Dmg: 1d6(s)/1d8(m) Crit: 18-20 x2 Wt: 14lb Special: Finesse, Double, Monk
Basically it's a modified Elven Curve Blade. The die type is reduced by 1, the weight is doubled (since it's basically twice the size), and it's made into a double weapon. It's listed as a Monk weapon, so Monks can flurry with it which makes sense. Non monks could take Finesse to mimic the fighting style and enchant it with Agile to add dex to damage. A fighter with the two weapon fighting feats and critical mastery could use something like this to devastating effect.
You could even make a smaller, 1 handed version of it and remove the double property and reduce the die type again, then give it throwing. That would let a Magus use it with spell combat/spellstrike.
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@Gigerstreak: If it's a double weapon, shouldn't its damage be listed as "1d6/1d6, 2d4/2d4"? Is 1d6 the damage a Small one does and 2d4 the Medium, or is it a double weapon where one "end" deals 1d6 and the other deals 2d4?
Here's my take:
Bladed Hoop
Two-Handed Exotic Melee Weapon
Cost: 45 gp
Dmg: 2d4(s), 2d6(m)
Crit: x3
Range: 10 feet
Weight: 14 lbs
Type: Slashing
Special: Disarm, Monk
You may apply Weapon Finesse to a bladed hoop sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. The bladed hoop's similarity to a chakram allows to be used as a thrown weapon in addition to a melee weapon, but you take a -1 penalty on the damage roll when throwing it. Further, a monk can't throw a bladed hoop as part of a flurry of blows, despite it being a monk weapon.
You guys are over-complicating it I think. The woman in the video wields it one-handed as often as she does two-handed (and thus should be a one-handed weapon). Though she moves fast, she often makes basic slashing attacks (making me think of it as a martial slashing weapon, not an exotic one). Since its essentially a hula hoop (a form of dancing) it makes sense to make it extremely deadly in the hands of a highly dextrous dancer-type character (an incentive provided by the ever popular Dervish Dance feat).
Yes. Scimitar stats all the way. Just change the name of the weapon.
Otherwise, it will likely go the way of worthless exotic weapon, or katana-like god weapon.
Ravingdork's option is valid. It could easily use the Scimitar stats and Dervish Dance, though wielding this type of weapon is vastly different than standard swordplay, especially with the grip you would need to throw regular slashing attacks, and the weight involved to give the spinning attacks momentum.
Making it exotic would make it more acceptable to most people, and making it a double weapon explains the number of attacks thrown in such a short period of time. IE, it's useable in one hand, but just making single strikes without using the second hand is not using the weapon to its full potential. Passing it between your hands and around your body in a fluid motion uses the weapons momentum to lend force to the attacks.
I think an exotic finesse double weapon is the best fit, and the rest is just balancing the die type/crit range/crit multiplier and assigning cost and weight. Basically, it's an abstraction one way or another but the double weapon feature means you need two weapon fighting to use it effectively.
You guys are over-complicating it I think. The woman in the video wields it one-handed as often as she does two-handed (and thus should be a one-handed weapon). Though she moves fast, she often makes basic slashing attacks (making me think of it as a martial slashing weapon, not an exotic one). Since its essentially a hula hoop (a form of dancing) it makes sense to make it extremely deadly in the hands of a highly dextrous dancer-type character (an incentive provided by the ever popular Dervish Dance feat).
Yes. Scimitar stats all the way. Just change the name of the weapon.
Otherwise, it will likely go the way of worthless exotic weapon, or katana-like god weapon.
While I do like simplicity, I think the weapon is far to different from a normal weapon to just reflavor a scimitar, however I do think being able to use feats such as Weapon Finesse and Dervish Dance with it makes sense seeing as how wielding the weapon would be very similar to danceing with a hula hoop. The more I think about it being a monk weapon the less I like the idea. Monks are all about martial arts, ki powers and combat maneuvers, that just doesn't really feel like it fits this kind of weapon.
Here is what I've got so far.[b]Ring Blade[/b} (Exotic Melee Weapon)
Cost: 50gp Dmg: 1d6/1d6(S) 1d8/1d8(M) Dmg Type: Slashing Crit: 19-20 X2 Wt: 10 lbs Special: Finesse, Double
The Dervish Dance feat can be applied to a ring blade as if it were a scimitar.
Just because it is a drastically different weapon from an actual scimitar doesn't change the fact that the scimitar stats represent it very well.
As for making it an exotic finessible double weapon, isn't that basically just an Elven curve blade?
Just because it is a drastically different weapon from an actual scimitar doesn't change the fact that the scimitar stats represent it very well.
As for making it an exotic finessible double weapon, isn't that basically just an Elven curve blade?
I didn't know an Elven curve blade was a double weapon
Huh? I guess it isn't. I could have sworn...
I didn't know an Elven curve blade was a double weaponJust because it is a drastically different weapon from an actual scimitar doesn't change the fact that the scimitar stats represent it very well.
As for making it an exotic finessible double weapon, isn't that basically just an Elven curve blade?
Think it is a two-handed weapon.
Where does it say that the chakram is a light weapon? Last I checked, it was a ranged weapon.
No please no.
Tira is annoying enough in the game, don't make me create a Voldo character in Pathfinder too just to beat her.
Shit now I wanna make a Voldo character in Pathfinder.
But how would you even...?
Welp. Looks like I've got some thinkin' to do.
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Where does it say that the chakram is a light weapon? Last I checked, it was a ranged weapon.
It is also a thrown weapon, which fall into different categories of how they are wielded, which is needed for determining the penalties for two-weapon fighting. It also can be used in melee, so it requires a designation of how it is wielded.
See here.
Upon further searching, I have yet to find exactly which category of wielding it is.
I will search further.
That thing is massive. It'd be heavy as heck.
I'd go with Curve Blade stats.
Exotic/Finesse/2 handed
Make it a Monk Weapon. (this currently bypasses TWF)
Let it use Dervish Dance, I could totally see it as a weapon that Sarenrae would like, it looks like the Sun.
She attacks one handed as a spin maneuver, that'd take 2 hands to get going. It is basically a huge chakram, but 1d12 is too much unless it's a 20/x3. Plus it'd tick me off if someone wanted that and a heavy shield.
I don't know about being a double weapon, it only has one "head". If it's double you get into weirdness with enchantments and pricing. Also it could only be made with one special material.
It's really a big Moon and Fire Wheel, but that weapon isn't statted in Pathfinder.
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Ring Blade (Exotic Melee Weapon)
Cost: 50gp Dmg: 1d6/2d4(S) Crit: x3 Wt: 8 lbs Special: Finesse, Double, MonkEiserne Drossel (Iron Thrush)
+2 Keen, Ki Focus, Vicious Ring Blade
I could have written that more clearly.
Ring Blade is the actual name of it (I looked it up)
I selected Exotic Melee Weapon (Note: Not Two Handed) due to it being a ring and you having to deal with the strange balance, especially one handed.
I chose 50gp arbitrarily. It could be 75 or 100 easily.
The damage is actually taken from the Scythe. It is 1d6 small, 2d4 medium. The damage is slashing damage for obvious reasons.
I chose a crit of x3 because I didn't want it to outshine either the scythe or the scimitar. It has too many special abilities to be a high crit range or max multiplier. Besides, keen.
I chose 8lbs because it is mostly made of heavy metal, and yet would need to be able to be wielded one handed. 8lbs seemed reasonable.
For special abilities I picked finesse. This is only because of her ability to dance/hoolahoop with it.
Double is because she often wields it with two hands (but doesn't have to, it isn't a two handed weapon) and she gets so many hits in.
Speaking of hits, that is why I made it a monk weapon. Originally I started to go with the usual "As is Dervish Dance" but I really don't feel that is what she is doing here. The flurry of blows fits nicely for her attacks.
As for the write up of the actual weapon. I chose Keen because anyone would want to take advantage of a x3 crit. I chose Ki Focus because that is exactly what the weapons of Soul Caliber do. She obviously channels all kinds of monk abilities through it in the video (though you could make your own with shock, etc, if you were a fighter). And finally I chose vicious because she does hurt herself while using it (when vicious is activated).
I agree with Ravingdorks idea of simply using a scimitar, but the unusual design and balance +odd way it is hurled around the body would make me always rule it as exotic. It would take training simply to keep from hurting yourself.
Changing the stats to being more like a scimitar would still be in keeping with the feel.
Dropping the damage down to 1d6 and increasing the crit range to 18-20 would bring it more in line with a scimitar, but I would keep the exotic weapon type and double/finesse/monk.
