I could swear I remember seeing a feat somewhere that allows a pc proficiency with an off-sized weapon, for example a large battleaxe. However, I've gone through the feats list multiple times, & have been unable to find it. Am I just missing it, am I looking in the wrong place, or am I just going crazy (don't ask my wife that last one!)?
Thanks in advance....
I could swear I remember seeing a feat somewhere that allows a pc proficiency with an off-sized weapon, for example a large battleaxe. However, I've gone through the feats list multiple times, & have been unable to find it. Am I just missing it, am I looking in the wrong place, or am I just going crazy (don't ask my wife that last one!)?
Thanks in advance....
I am confused as to the question you propose; do you mean a feat that reduces the penalties of using an inappropriate-sized weapon? If so, there is no such feat. There is a Barbarian archetype (called the Titan Mauler) that makes it easier to wield large-sized weapons (in a single hand, infact), and reduces the penalties incurred from inappropriate-sized weapons, but it is by no means a feat.
I will not say that your wife is correct in saying you're crazy. But if she were to say that you were mistaken, I would be inclined to agree; but it's not like we were all mistaken with something once before (your wife included), and if I meet that individual, then I can congratulate them on their flawless identification skills.
The titan maulers abilities do not stack. You can not used a two handed weapon oversized in one hand with the mauler.
In 3.0 (Sword and Fist book) there was a feat that allowed the use of a 2 handed weapon in one hand at a penalty, that feat was called Monkey Grip. That's as close as I can think to what you might be thinking of.
Monkey grip was also in Complete Warrior and was up-dated to be able use stuff like large weapons as if they were sized for you, grated at a -2 to attack. Were does it say the two titan mauler abilities do not stack?
It might have been the Titan Mauler Archetype I saw, but I was thinking there was a feat that allowed it. Oh well.... thanks as always. Although if anyone comes across something, please feel free to let me know.
And the comment about my wife was just a joke, had nothing to do with the question. :)
Hmmm, how would one go about designing such a feat?? Requirements, how it functions, etc...
Monkey grip was also in Complete Warrior and was up-dated to be able use stuff like large weapons as if they were sized for you, grated at a -2 to attack. Were does it say the two titan mauler abilities do not stack?
The first ability states that it only works with weapons of the right size for you.
As the other ability is all about using a weapon not the right size for you they do not work together. Or to answer your question: is does say so in one of the two abilities.
After re-reading the equipment rules for weapon size categories, I don't know if I need a feat or not. My idea is for a medium-size pc to wield a large-sized battleaxe (normally a one-handed weapon) as a two-handed weapon.
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
So, does the -2 apply if you use the inappropriately sized weapon the way it was intended (one-handed, for the battleaxe), or regardless of how you wield it? If using it as a two-handed weapon negates the penalty, I'm good. If not, the I would be looking for a feat that reduces/negates the penalty.
Well, I am not exactly sure. I wouldn't say using a Medium two-hander in a single hand confers the same penalty as would, for example, using a Large one-hander in two hands. I look at it this way:
Let's take a two-handed Reach Martial weapon sized for a medium creature that deals 1D10. I decide to make it sized for a Small creature, so now it only deals 1D8 damage and I incur a -2 penalty, but I can still use its Reach, and I can use my other hand for either another similar spear, or for a shield as protection.
Now, let's take a Bastard Sword sized for a medium creature, it deals 1D10. We can use the weapon as a one-handed Exotic, or a two-handed Martial. Adjusting it to large would add an extra hand, meaning you can wield it as a two-handed Exotic weapon, or a three-handed (or more) Martial. The damage adjusts to 2D8, but I still incur that -2 penalty, since the inappropriate size weapon works both ways.
The issue with applying the same mechanic for weapons of the same size (but different wielding type) is that the rules for inappropriate size would not apply, meaning we can't assume the same -2 (or -4 also listed) would apply as well.
I would honestly find the best RAI for such would be to rule it as if the player were non-proficient with the weapon in such a manner (a -4 penalty), and that for the player to adjust it, they'd need a 'proficiency' feat for it. I'd also state that the player must have a Weapon Focus feat for it, and a certain Base Attack Bonus (or character level, whichever is more fitting to simulate the character's experience with using such weaponry, such as Character Level or Base Attack +6) for them to select the feat, so as not to just hand players free "I can use this weapon however I want" feats.
But I am digressing. Other than the Titan Mauler I don't know any feat that would reduce these kinds of penalties outside of feats that work for certain weapon combinations.
Yes, a Medium PC could use a one handed weapon that is one size category larger, but it would require two hands, and suffer -2 penalty for being the wrong size.
Yes, a Medium PC could use a one handed weapon that is one size category larger, but it would require two hands, and suffer -2 penalty for being the wrong size.
That was the impression I got as well. So, if I wanted to create a feat to offset that penalty...
Off-sized Weapon Fighting(combat)
requirements: weapon proficiency (normal-sized), +3 BAB
This feat allows a character to reduce the penalty for fighting with a specific weapon not appropriately sized for him. The character must be proficient with the weapon (in normal size). This feat reduces the penalty from -2 to -1. The weapon can be no more than one size category larger/smaller than the character's normal weapon category size.
Improved Off-sized Weapon Fighting (combat)
requirements: Off-sized Weapon Fighting, +6 BAB
This feat eliminates the remaining -1 for fighting with a weapon not appropriately sized for a character. The character must choose the same weapon taken with Off-sized Weapon Fighting
OK- any thoughts/input?
Yes, a Medium PC could use a one handed weapon that is one size category larger, but it would require two hands, and suffer -2 penalty for being the wrong size.That was the impression I got as well. So, if I wanted to create a feat to offset that penalty...
Off-sized Weapon Fighting(combat)
requirements: weapon proficiency (normal-sized), +3 BAB
This feat allows a character to reduce the penalty for fighting with a specific weapon not appropriately sized for him. The character must be proficient with the weapon (in normal size). This feat reduces the penalty from -2 to -1. The weapon can be no more than one size category larger/smaller than the character's normal weapon category size.
Improved Off-sized Weapon Fighting (combat)
requirements: Off-sized Weapon Fighting, +6 BAB
This feat eliminates the remaining -1 for fighting with a weapon not appropriately sized for a character. The character must choose the same weapon taken with Off-sized Weapon Fighting
OK- any thoughts/input?
That's really better suited to the houserule section. That aside, I wouldn't have a problem with these feats, but I tend to be permissive. Also, the Titan Mauler archetype does have ability that offsets the penalty for inappropriate sized weapons.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to overlap sections - just seemed like starting a whole 'nother thread was silly for a relatively quick question. I based the feats off the Titan Mauler - looking for something for other fighting classes besides barbarians.
Another person trying to make the Titan Mauler work? Or is this a way to use a Fighter to get the Titan Mauler's Abilities?
Not so much. Just looking into the mechanics for one of my players who might be interested in using a large-sized battleaxe from a defeated foe. As stated in OP, thought I remembered seeing something about it - but, apparently not. So I thought I'd throw the feat idea out there to see if it was reasonable or not. No plans to incorporate any of the Titan Mauler's other special abilities, though...
Use Weapon Equivelancies. A Large Battle Axe deals 2d6 Damage, is an Axe, & requires 2 Hands. Sounds like a Great Axe to me.