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"Surprise Shift (Ex): The Ranger can move 5 feet as a swift action. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity and does not count as a 5-foot step."
I am trying to get a ruling on this for PFS. Surprise Shift seems like it was designed to work with a 5-foot-step. It says it doesn't count as one so it certainly seems to imply you can still take one.
I have read other threads and one said it worked with 5-foot-step and one said it didn't.
I am hoping to get a official PFS ruling from Jason, but any opinions are welcome.
The reason it says it doesn't count as a 5ft step is so you can still move on the same turn. It is designed to be used in conjunction with a regular move or a charge, usually to get into a better flanking position without provoking.
Technically you could combine it with a 5ft step if you had 2 swift actions somehow.
It didn't used to work along with a 5' step, but they changed the wording so that it now does.
It basically lets you move 10' without provoking while still getting a full attack--it's easily one of the best Skirmishing abilities.
mplindustries: how do you get a full attack after taking a move action?
You don't. You take a 5 foot step for free, then use Surprise Shift as a swift action, then make a full attack.
Surprise Shift is specifically designed to work alongside a 5' step--that is the entire purpose of it.
Surprise Shift is specifically designed to work alongside a 5' step--that is the entire purpose of it.
I think what they're asking for is a citation. If the designer has stated the intent is to work with a 5' step, then a link to that post would be helpful.
If instead you're just assuming that is the intent based on what the feat does as written, then you'll have to explain how you reached that conclusion instead of the one described upthread.
It didn't used to work along with a 5' step, but they changed the wording so that it now does.
Page 129—In the Skirmisher archetype, in the Hunter’s Tricks class feature, in the Surprise Shift paragraph, in the first sentence, change “as a move action” to “as a swift action.”
By changing it from a move to a swift, they enabled it to work alongside a full-attack. That doesn't change it's ability to work (or not work) alongside a 5-foot step.
Unless I'm missing something, you cannot do both in one turn (for reasons already stated.)
The RAI is debatable, but as written moving (even 5 feet) prevents you from taking a 5-foot step.
The ability is still a good one - for example, if you're in melee and you want to disengage, you can shift, move, then attack someone else without provoking (which would normally be impossible.) It also allows you to move adjacent to monsters with reach without provoking.
Hmm, if you can't use surprise shift with a 5 foot step, that severely limits the usefulness of the ability. It basically only makes the ability useful for lining up a charge or sqeezing out another 5 foot of movement for the round. Otherwise, you would just take a 5 foot step...
The point is to be able to move more than 5 feet in a round without provoking AoOs (or sacrificing your standard action to Withdraw.)
Surprise Shift is specifically designed to work alongside a 5' step--that is the entire purpose of it.I think what they're asking for is a citation. If the designer has stated the intent is to work with a 5' step, then a link to that post would be helpful.
If instead you're just assuming that is the intent based on what the feat does as written, then you'll have to explain how you reached that conclusion instead of the one described upthread.
I was going on memory--I am fairly sure I saw a developer weigh in on it. However, I can't find it--I should save this stuff when I see it--so I politely withdraw my assertion.
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Things this ability lets you do even if you can't use it in the same turn as a 5ft step:
• Move up to a polearm-wielding enemy without provoking (use a normal move to get into their threatened 10ft area, then use this power to move the final 5 feet without provoking).
• Precede a withdraw action and get away from a large monster without provoking at all (withdraw only protects you from AoO's on the first square, so a large enemy will still whack you on the second square; use this power first to move from 5ft to 10ft, then withdraw to get out safely).
• Move up to an enemy, attack, and then scoot back without provoking. Pseudo-Spring-Attack!
I'm sure there's more.
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Ok, Thanks guys, as I did not get a official answer I will go with board consensus. I was hoping I could use it to maximize the times I could get a full attack (I am building a two-weapon ranger) but as stated it is still a useful ability. Combined with the options for 5-foot-step and Step Up/Following Step I should be in good position almost every time.