Sneak Attack?

[2radly]

4th lvl Teleportation School Wizard/1st lvl Rogue

Move action: moves up to target
Swift action: teleport 2 spaces forward to be right behind target
Standard action: attack

The Swift action teleport doesn't provoke an AOO, however, would this count as a sneak attack as the target wouldn't know where I was as I disappeared right in front of him? Or would a perception check be needed to realize I teleported right behind him? If so, not exactly sure what parameters would be needed for the perception check.

[cwslyclgh]

No, it would not be a sneak attack, since there is no facing in pathfinder the target would automatically know that you were suddenly behind him (unless you were also invisible or hidden somehow) no perception check needed.

[Isil-zha]

Is the target flat-footed or otherwise denied its Dex bonus to AC? It definitely is not flanked since you just occupied that other square a moment ago.

I don't see a reason why you would get your sneak attack, since there are no facing rules. Otherwise just teleporting up to the target from a visible location would have the same effect.

Had you teleported from a location where the target was not aware of you, it would be a different matter.

[2radly]

I thought under the perception rules, if we were in combat (ie. distracted) they would have to at least make a perception roll to notice me. Cause they were expecting an attack from the front not from behind. But I see what your saying about the facing rules. Oh well.. it was a nice idea while it lasted.

[Rynjin]

Though this raises another question: Could you use the teleport in conjunction with the Feint maneuver to set up a flank for a buddy and your own Sneak Attack next round in one fell swoop?

[Isil-zha]

I'd give you a decent circumstance bonus for a bluff check to feint, for a maneuver like this

[2radly]

Well, I was originally using it along with GangUp.. The two fighters were holding the line, I'd move up, attack (getting my sneak attack), and then teleport 2 spaces back out of their reach. A bit cowardly.. but I don't have the HP they do. heh. I was hoping to setup something for 'on my own'. Improved Feint is a wonderful thing for a rogue!

[The Diplomat]

You could, however, move up to target as a move action, teleport as a swift action, then ready a standard action to attack when an ally moves into flank.

[KidDangerous]

Isil-zha wrote:

I'd give you a decent circumstance bonus for a bluff check to feint, for a maneuver like this

What this guy said

[Isil-zha]

KidDangerous wrote:

Isil-zha wrote:

I'd give you a decent circumstance bonus for a bluff check to feint, for a maneuver like this

What this guy said

quite the assumption you made there :P