Bucklers and Druids.


Rules Questions


Bucklers:
Buckler: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler's AC bonus until your next turn. You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm, but you lose the buckler's AC bonus until your next turn. You can't make a shield bash with a buckler.

Source
P. 150 Core Rule Book

Question: Is there a wooden version for use by Druids?


no

Sovereign Court

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Dragonhide buckler.


yes in your other post on your build someone linked the darkwood buckler from CRB, so yes.


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Reading the description of the Darkwood Buckler explains that the magic item is actually a Light Wooden Shield made of Darkwood. That's a grey area as to whether it would be treated with the same rules as a buckler regarding two-handed and ranged weapons, or if it's just a nickname used for a Light Shield made of Darkwood.

Grand Lodge

Drogos wrote:
Reading the description of the Darkwood Buckler explains that the magic item is actually a Light Wooden Shield made of Darkwood. That's a grey area as to whether it would be treated with the same rules as a buckler regarding two-handed and ranged weapons, or if it's just a nickname used for a Light Shield made of Darkwood.

I believe you misunderstand the This nonmagical light wooden shield is made out of darkwood part.

Not magic, still a buckler.


It may be called a Darkwood Buckler, but its description says light shield. And its cost is consistent with a darkwood light shield, not what a buckler would cost if made from darkwood. (Granted, the difference is only 2gp.)

So either its name is wrong, or both its description and price are wrong.


If you are playing a PFS game, then perhaps you may find it difficult to locate a wooden buckler for your druid.

In any other game, it's a GM call. My GM allows it. My druid sometimes uses ironwood and sometimes not.

Grand Lodge

Well, you can still get a Dragonhide Buckler without anyone rulelawyering you out of it's benefit.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Well, you can still get a Dragonhide Buckler without anyone rulelawyering you out of it's benefit.

My druid's current buckler isn't dragonhide, it was made from some permanent "ironwood" she found. The permanent "ironwood" was part of a module, and she used "wood shape" to make it and then used "masterwork transformation" to make it masterwork... was easy-peasy. :)

Grand Lodge

Wait, what module? Was that homebrewed? I am genuinely interested.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Wait, what module? Was that homebrewed? I am genuinely interested.

I don't remember the module's name, or more accurately, I never cared. Actually he munged about five modules together into one epic campaign and took us through all of them.

What I recall from the modules were the following:

1. A diseased black dragon in a swamp with some fort which had a pit of evil.

2. A dungeon with some sort of magic sword which turned a simple lizardman into some superbeing that killed our ranger.

3. A meteorite fall that corrupted a treant who began to terrorize local villages.

4. Another dungeon with a red dragon lair at the end of a maze filled with monsters like trolls and, I think, an Ettin.

Somewhere in that mess of things was a wagon full of ironwood boards. My druid took as many as she could carry and made stuff from them.

Grand Lodge

Ack! I would love to see the module that this "permanent ironwood" was in.

I need those stats, prices, etc.


BBT, in all honesty I can't say that the stuff was truly part of the module, or if it was, whether it was "permanent" or not. The GM of this campaign is not known for dwelling down into the fine details of the modules. It may have been something he introduced or something that he misunderstood.

All I know is that when he said it was ironwood, I grabbed some and asked him for weeks of game time if it had changed back to normal wood, eventually he said it was permanent ironwood.

Lucky me. :)


Adamantine Dragon wrote:

BBT, in all honesty I can't say that the stuff was truly part of the module, or if it was, whether it was "permanent" or not. The GM of this campaign is not known for dwelling down into the fine details of the modules. It may have been something he introduced or something that he misunderstood.

All I know is that when he said it was ironwood, I grabbed some and asked him for weeks of game time if it had changed back to normal wood, eventually he said it was permanent ironwood.

Lucky me. :)

I am assuming this is not a PFS character like the one were discussing in the OP? Because an item like that on a chronicle sheet would be ridiculously awesome.

Grand Lodge

The idea of a Darkwood Buckler not being a Buckler just hurts my head.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
The idea of a Darkwood Buckler not being a Buckler just hurts my head.

i agree. i for one am going to faq it


I think it's just poor description wording, being that a buckler 'is' a "light" shield, and is not directly referencing the :Light shield: category.

It's kinda like spell level and character level, it's an unfortunate word use.

There has always been wooden bucklers in other versions of the game (since UA when it came out) I'm assuming it's just one of those CRB things trying to cut down on word count and all...

Dark Archive

I wish we had a formal ruling on this, though.


On page 119 of the GameMastery Guide it lists a Buckler as being either Wood or Steel.

Either this is contradictory to the CRB or it is your gateway to declaring Bucklers are made of either wood or steel. :)

- Gauss


It would seem silly that light and heavy shields can be made of either wood or metal, but no one could figure out how to make a buckler out of wood :P

Grand Lodge

well, I'll have to check that one out... Gauss... if so, I'll pay the extra 2gp just to save the weight over a masterwork buckler.


Munny, the price of a Darkwood Buckler is 205gp (203 if you go with the 'light shield' buckler). This is 50gp over Masterwork rather than 2gp.

Math:
Buckler: 5gp
Darkwood: (10gp/lb)*5lb = 50gp
Masterwork: 150gp
Total: 205gp.

- Gauss


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Well, you can still get a Dragonhide Buckler without anyone rulelawyering you out of it's benefit.

The core rules say:

"In each case, enough hide is available to produce a light or heavy masterwork shield in addition to the armor, provided that the dragon is Large or larger."

They do not say you can produce a buckler in addition to the armor. They only say you can produce a light or heavy masterwork shield. A buckler is not a light or heavy shield, it is a buckler.

As far as I can tell, a Druid can never use a buckler unless they cast Ironwood on it every morning.


Just worship Gorum and you are on the save side.

Sczarni

Psst... the last post in this thread was a year and a half ago.

Shadow Lodge

yay for necromancy :D

Sczarni

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While we're here, I suppose I'll add something to the discussion.

According to the GameMastery Guide, bucklers may be fashioned of metal or wood (and, subsequently, bone, since bone can be substituted in place of wood).

Hooray.

But, if you're doing PFS, you're still out of luck, because no content from the GameMastery Guide is legal for play, including the rules for making bucklers out of wood.


Nefreet wrote:
Psst... the last post in this thread was a year and a half ago.

This thread is one of the results you get on a general web search for druids and bucklers and wanted to clear up any misinformation about non-metal bucklers for anyone looking for answers.

Thank you for clearing up my own misinformation that Druids are not ever buckler capable - unfortunately this information doesn't help my PFS Druid who I would very much like to be able to use a buckler. Rules are rules though.

I think the best a PFS Druid can do, presuming they are trying to use bows and two-handed weapons from time to time, is get a Light Wooden Quickdraw Shield [Darkwood]. It isn't nearly as good as a buckler for that purpose but it does have the minor advantage of being easier to don.


Striatic - The text you quote is text on what you can make given the scales of a dragon. It does not prevent you from making a dragonhide buckler, as it doesn't override

Quote:
Armorsmiths can work with the hides of dragons to produce armor or shields of masterwork quality.

(pg 154)


Ultimate Equipment has Darkwood Bucklers that are PFS legal.

Sczarni

I believe it's the same "Darkwood Buckler" you find in the Core Rulebook.

Don't let the name fool you. It's still just a light shield.

Grand Lodge

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The Darkwood Buckler costs 150 for masterwork plus 50 for darkwood at 10 per pound, plus 3 for the cost of a light wooden shield. It sadly is not a buckler.

Scarab Sages

TriOmegaZero wrote:
The Darkwood Buckler costs 150 for masterwork plus 50 for darkwood at 10 per pound, plus 3 for the cost of a light wooden shield. It sadly is not a buckler.

So it isn't just bad wording? i.e., this wooden shield is much lighter than expected...

Grand Lodge

It's a poor naming of an item from the same system that has three Demonhunter traits and multiple other duplicate naming.

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