Warrior of the Holy Light and Fearless Aura.


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My GM says my Paladin (Warrior of the Holy Light archetype) can't take Fearless Aura because according to him my Paladin (due to my archetype) doesn't have a caster level and thus doesn't meet the prerequisites for the Feat. Is he wrong? Can we get an official ruling on this?


Advanced Player's Guide: Warrior of the Holy Light wrote:
A warrior of the holy light does not gain any spells or spellcasting abilities, does not have a caster level, and cannot use spell trigger or spell completion magic items.
Ultimate Magic: Fearless Aura wrote:
Prerequisites: Aura of courage class feature, caster level 8th.

Seems pretty cut and dried, bud. It's intended to be taken by an 11th level paladin, so WotHL is out of luck. No official wording on this needed, as it's all in the books.


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No official wording on this needed, as it's all in the books.

I will never the less wait for a mod or someone with authority over rules in Pathfinder game play from Paizo to comment.


good luck with that.


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Why be stubborn about it? Your GM said no, the rulebooks clearly back him up, and people on the boards are telling you no. There's no ambiguity here.

If you ask enough people, you may eventually find someone who will agree with you, but so what? Your GM still says no. Suck it up.


So two things:

First, you're unquestionably wrong and the GM is totally write--the text is crystal clear and there is zero need for the developers to step in.

Second, Fearless Aura is kind of on the lousy side as far as feats go and I can't figure out why you'd want it anyway.

Shadow Lodge

I can see why you're frustrated - it seems to me that the intent was for the feat to be taken by 11th level paladins (or by a multiclassed Paladin3/Caster 8). I doubt the intent was to exclude the one paladin archetype that doesn't actually get a caster level. Some GMs might house-rule in your favour.

However, the wording as-is is pretty clear and unless you get someone from Paizo to actually issue an errata for the feat (don't count on it), your GM is perfectly within his rights to stick with the RAW, which says that you cannot take this feat.


Weirdo wrote:
I can see why you're frustrated - it seems to me that the intent was for the feat to be taken by 11th level paladins (or by a multiclassed Paladin3/Caster 8). I doubt the intent was to exclude the one paladin archetype that doesn't actually get a caster level.

A Paladin with magical knack could take it at 9th.

Shadow Lodge

And how does this change the fact that this restriction probably wasn't phrased this way with the intent that the feat exclude the single Paladin archetype with no caster level, rather than simply enforce some form of level limit? I don't see why that would make sense. It's not like the feat in any way interacts with the Paladin's spellcasting.


I believe the caster level requirement was put there because of the nature of the feat's power. Even at 11th level, having a 20' Aura of Courage that makes your buddies immune to fear as well is pretty powerful in the developer's eyes, so they added that requirement.

In contrast, Ultimate Resolve enlarges a paladin's Aura of Resolve (The one that makes you immune to charm effects) to 20' and makes it so that the aura doesn't drop if you go down to negatives, all with no caster level requirement.

The caster requirement should honestly just be replaced with a straight "11th-level paladin" requirement; considering AoC is only handed out to two other Golarion-based prestige classes, I don't see the problem with making the feat paladin-specific. See if your GM is willing to houserule that. Otherwise, you're out of luck if he wants to play by the legit rules.

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