
yellowmartian |
So, I am a 3.0/3.5 Forgotten Realmer that's been displaced due to 4E and my buddy told me to check out Pathfinder. I guess he is a complete Pathfinder junkie the way he used to be about Forgotten Realms. I was flipping through a bunch of his books and I couldn't find the Arch-Wizard prestige class anywhere. I looked through the Psionic book too and didn't find an Arch-Psion. Also, I couldn't find anything about epic levels. Does anybody know where I can find those classes and rules for epic levels? If there's nothing about them, does anybody know of any rumors of Paizo releasing them in a book sometime down the road? Thanks.

x9ss |

Pathfinder doesn't use the "epic" rules that 3.x set out, they are currently playtesting a set of rules known as "mythic" that is as close a fit to what you are looking for as pathfinder currently has. The playtest is here on the forums so it shouldn't be hard to find. As for the Arch-Wizard/Arch-Psion, I'm not sure as I'm not familiar with the source material.
Edit; Here's the mythic general discussion forum;
Mythic
and here's the free playest document;
Playtest

Gauss |

There are no Psionic rules for Pathfinder. There are some 3pp Psionic materials though.
There are no Epic rules for pathfinder either.
Many of the rules and (prestige or alternate) classes in 3.5 are not Open Game License. Because of this they will never appear in Pathfinder. I am unsure which rules are OGL. What you are looking for may be OGL or may not be.
- Gauss

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Harrison |
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For clarification, Pathfinder has no psionic rules YET.
It's been stated before that "psychic magic" was something that the developers want to do at some point, but that point is not in the immediate future, and that for now, Dreamscarred Press is doing a fine job with handling the psionics content (they really are, DSP's psionics stuff is some of my favorite content for Pathfinder).

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For clarification, Pathfinder has no psionic rules YET.
It's been stated before that "psychic magic" was something that the developers want to do at some point, but that point is not in the immediate future, and that for now, Dreamscarred Press is doing a fine job with handling the psionics content (they really are, DSP's psionics stuff is some of my favorite content for Pathfinder).
Yes but it's also fairly clear that if Paizo does come out with a psionic package, it's not going to be a refresh of the 3.5 psionics the OP seems to be interested in, which is what Dreamscarred has put out.
Psionics from Paizo is somewhere in the unknown future and in some unknown shape. I was answering the question in terms of what's available NOW.

yellowmartian |
Thanks. I knew Dreamscarred came out with the Psionics stuff for Pathfinder, which I have been using. I didn't realize that Paizo still has yet to make any rules for psionics still. I know they mentioned psionics in one of the core books. If they come out with their own psionics books, do you think it will be drastically different from Dreamscarred's version? I quite like, nay I say love Dreamscarred's updating of psionics.

Tacticslion |

It is likely to be very different as, from what I've understood from talking to him, James Jacobs is one of the only champions of 'psionics' for Pathfinder, and he's far more a fan of Vancian-style "psychic magic" than Power Points (which he's explicitly told me that he doesn't like). Added to that, he says that he doesn't want to invalidate a third party's product in that way.
So... it looks like Dreamscarred is going to be the only way we have Power Points/Psionics, sadly, although the Qingong Monk archetype functions mildly similarly.

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Thanks. I knew Dreamscarred came out with the Psionics stuff for Pathfinder, which I have been using. I didn't realize that Paizo still has yet to make any rules for psionics still. I know they mentioned psionics in one of the core books. If they come out with their own psionics books, do you think it will be drastically different from Dreamscarred's version? I quite like, nay I say love Dreamscarred's updating of psionics.
Psionics wasn't mentioned in the core books but as an aside in one of the pre-Pathfinder settings books. Nothing else has been said outside of messageboard discussion.

Orthos |

Sorcerer makes more sense to me, since psionic powers, if forced into the spellcasting system, definately should be spontaneous.
While I would normally agree, and much prefer it that way myself as I'm definitely more a fan of spont-casting, Tac's comments regarding JJ's stance on the matter seems like that's not the way it'll go, unless there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line.
(EDIT: Seems I never did ask that question, despite thinking I did. Now I'm still curious.)

Tacticslion |

James pretty much indicated that there will be several options, the most likely of which is actually going to be sorcery, like a bloodline.
I'll... try to dig through the archives later, if I can find 'em. They're old posts, though (like... maybe from 2011!!11one1! That's, like, a whole year ago!), and the boards get a little wonky when I start digging that deeply into my archives.
The thing is, though, James was thinking of classes (or perhaps archetypes, including wizards) with things like Fakirs, Gurus, and others instead of Psions or Wilders, and "psychic magic" (or similar terms) instead of "psionics", because he prefers the latter terms* yet they're pretty much the direct equivalent of each other: similarly, Paizo (and James) preferred mythic to epic, and that's what we got.
Thus I'm thinking it'll probably be very, very different from any psionics thing we've seen to date.
It's important to note that Paizo does not reject Dreamscarred Press' stuff. In fact, Paizo is excellent about making sure that you can include most anything you like in PF... but it is not a thing we're likely to see in APs anytime soon (not the least of which is due to the fact that it becomes complicated to explain, in text, what a DSP's psion can and can't do**, compared to 'normal' statted creatures**).
Anyway, I have to say, I actually really like the new mythic rules. It isn't exactly epic, and that's both good and bad, but I really like them for what they are.
* His reasoning being understandable, but, to my way of thinking, flawed. He feels that people 'know' (culturally) what wizards, witches, oracles, etc. are and what magic is, but don't 'know' (culturally) what psions, wilders and the like are, and what psionics is. I disagree. I am not, however, the Creative Director, so, you know, he wins by default. :)
** Again, I respectfully disagree. But see the above asterisk to know how that turns out. :)

Tacticslion |

No worries, Orthos. I was unclear, I'm afraid. Also, for the record, I was wrong about the bloodline, but it appears that it's not going to be a wizard either.
To help clear up some stuff, some Posts James made (to save you guys time from reading the whole thread, 'cause it's huge):
One (probably of prime importance)
Two (variant magic systems are possible)
Three (James doesn't care for quing-gong monk=spellcasters idea)
Four (more on that, including that it could make nifty psionics)
Five (James likes psionics)
Six (James... still works at Paizo...)
Seven (sorcerer should have been 'psionicist', but it never will be now)
Eight (we're more likely to see sci-fi than psionics <oh, hi, Distant Worlds!>)
Nine (if they ever did use 'psionics' DSP's stuff would get first look to see if it's adopted)
Ten (power point isn't the foe... variant magic systems are the foe)
Eleven (James bows out)

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t's important to note that Paizo does not reject Dreamscarred Press' stuff. In fact, Paizo is excellent about making sure that you can include most anything you like in PF... but it is not a thing we're likely to see in APs anytime soon (not the least of which is due to the fact that it becomes complicated to explain, in text, what a DSP's psion can and can't do**, compared to 'normal' statted creatures**)
Paizo can't "reject" Dreamscarred's work or affect the publication on it since it was made according to terms of the open license. But it's not going to incorporate it into it's own. In other words you're not going to see Dreamscarred's material reflected in Golarion, nor are they going to produce supplements for it. It'll essentially remain third party content like any other third party content.