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At 1st level, a falconer earns the trust and companionship of a bird of prey. The bird can be of any type of large hunting or scavenging bird (even a vulture).
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And axe-beak is a predatory bird the eats other critters, could a falconer take an axe-beak as an animal companion - it is one on the druid animal campanion list?
TIA
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After seeing this question I began to think of a mounted archer who rides around on a Roc. Alas, I think the rules limit you specifically to the "bird" animal companion. They say:
"This ability functions like the druid animal companion ability (which is part of the nature bond class feature), but the falconer must take the bird animal companion, and that companion has only half the normal hit points."
Sounds as it it would work. How could I miss that?
Too bad the axebeak doesn't have scent.
Why would it work? Isn't the "bird" animal companion a specific type of animal companion which is different from the axebeak animal companion or the roc animal companion?
+1 Devilkiller.
I always find it bizarre when somebody can post something, and somebody else follows it up completely ignoring the previous point, as if it didn't exist. I mean, perhap Devilkiller is wrong, but if so, specific argumens why he is wrong and something else is correct should be given. Devilkiller's quote of the exact crunch details granted by the ability, referencing 'the bird animal companion' is pretty concrete. So if you want to flavor the bird animal companion as an Axe-Beak, go for it I guess, but that is going to be one scrawny runt of an Axe-Beak.
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Falconer - Penguin
Falconer - Kiwi
Falconer - Ostrich
Oh definitly +1
So you say it only applies to the specific bird AC?
But the vulture is especially called out, too.
At 1st level, a falconer earns the trust and companionship of a bird of prey. The bird can be of any type of large hunting or scavenging bird (even a vulture).
So only bird and giand vulture?
Or is the inclusion of the vulture just flavor text?btw, I don't find the quote devilkiller is giving:
"This ability functions like the druid animal companion ability (which is part of the nature bond class feature), but the falconer must take the bird animal companion, and that companion has only half the normal hit points."
my book, the srd site and the prd site all read:
At 4th level, a falconer must select an animal companion when he gains hunter’s bond. He does not gain a new companion at 4th level; rather, his feathered companion gains full hit points.
And the featheres companion, as quoted above, only states that it has to be any type of large bird of prey which is described as any hunting or scavanging bird.
I don't know if Devilkiller's quote is from another printing, from how he remembered it or if he just changed it on purpose, because it fits his argumentation better but the three sources of rules I have access to don't say it has to be THE BIRD companion but A BIRD.
And the axebeak is a bird.
EDIT: What could be an indication that RAI you are right is that later the feathered companion gets a bonus trick impossible for flightless birds.
But I would not see that as proof because a lot of classes have abilities that don't work together.
how are you getting from 'vulture' to 'giant vulture'? those are different creatures.
giant vulture isn't mentioned. vulture doesn't have specific A.C. stats, so 'bird companion' seems reasonable.
Feathered Companion (Ex): At 1st level, a falconer earns the trust and companionship of a bird of prey. The bird can be of any type of large hunting or scavenging bird (even a vulture). This ability functions like the druid animal companion ability (which is part of the nature bond class feature), but the falconer must take the bird animal companion, and that companion has only half the normal hit points.
were you using the 3rd party d20pfsrd site?
I checked both sites the d20pfsrd and the paizo prd and the hardcover book but I seem to have overlooked the important part. Sometimes reading =/= reading
Sorry it I came across as rude.
But often here on the boards people pretend to quote RAW when they really make something up, look at pictures instead of text and such.
So the rules seem clear even if I still think it is strange that they call out the vulture when you can't chose the only vulture they have stats for.
But I guess they meant to say that you could flavor the bird AC as a vulture.
yeah, there is the giant vulture AC stats for the giant vulture creature, but i think the bird AC stats are 100% reasonable to use for NORMAL vultures, even if you don't have this archetype that should be the AC stats you should use for a normal vulture as an AC.
it thought it had this crazy great build going, but the rules didn't actually shake out. poor thing.