Hi all, I was making a melee character that will be a human barbarian and we had to use 15 point buy. As of now we are level 5, but I don't want to dump all my stats to 7 and have to roleplay really dumb =/. My concept was that he was enslaved and trained to kill mages and hence he is going the spell rage powers. However, I want him to be clever at least, so I was thinking of going the dual talent trait for humans. Therefore, it could help me with my stats adjustments.
So what do you all think for a melee character stuck with 15 point buy....is dual talent worth it for losing the skill point and feat? Thanks for any advice
Here is what I have as of now
Level 5 Human Barbarian
str: 19
dex: 14
con: 15
int: 10
wis: 11
cha: 7
feats: power attack, raging vitality, and open slot(iron will or step up)
rage powers: superstition and lesser beast totem
favor bonus: each point into the superstition power
I would personally considered changing your stats to the following:
STR 16 DEX 14 CON 16 INT 12 WIS 12 CHA 7
Also, when you select your traits, consider getting some that grant you disable device and stealth as class skills. That way, you'll be able to pretty much fill the role of the rogue while still acting as a front line fighter.
For Feats, Power Attack, Raging Vitality, and Toughness are all good options. Combat Reflexes wouldn't be a bad choice either.
For Rage Powers, I would seriously recommend Ghost Rager. The benefits to your touch AC from superstition and ghost rager will be amazing.
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In short, no, it's not worth it going dual-talent.
In a point buy system, it's also not really ever worth it to buy a natural 17.
I'd recommend the following stat array:
16 (+2=18)/12/15/10/10/7
You basically drop 2 dex and 1 wisdom from your build. And you're going to get an extra feat, which is SUPER worth it on a barbarian. The skill point, less so, but you can trade that in for Heart of the Fields to allow you to rage cycle 1/day if you'd like.
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Yeah you didn't add my points did you? Lol I didn't put a 17 I put a 16 and the reason I have 19 Str is because of my stat bump on level 4.
Also if i had to do 15 point buy minus the dual talent it would be this
Str: 19 (16+2+1)
Dex: 14
Con: 15
Int: 7
Wis: 10
Cha: 7
So i dont want to dump my Int that low =/
@blackbloodtroll: i am stuck with human....come on mage slaying superstition power FTW! :)
I can assure you that dual talent is actually very worth using depending on your build. After all, if your character doesn't require a lot of feats, you don't really need the bonus feat. In addition, the extra skill point per level won't really matter for a barbarian, but you can always make up for it by putting a 12 in intelligence (I personally find this to be a better option since you also gain an extra language and bonus to your intelligence-based skills).
Two-handed barbarians really don't need a whole lot of feats anyway, but I would strongly recommend using something with a high crit range as your weapon (the nodachi is a personal favorite of mine). Getting improved Crit and power attack, along with raging brutality should help you be a destructive force in battle.
I can assure you that dual talent is actually very worth using depending on your build. After all, if your character doesn't require a lot of feats, you don't really need the bonus feat. In addition, the extra skill point per level won't really matter for a barbarian, but you can always make up for it by putting a 12 in intelligence (I personally find this to be a better option since you also gain an extra language and bonus to your intelligence-based skills).
Two-handed barbarians really don't need a whole lot of feats anyway, but I would strongly recommend using something with a high crit range as your weapon (the nodachi is a personal favorite of mine). Getting improved Crit and power attack, along with raging brutality should help you be a destructive force in battle.
Very true, it does depend if you have a feat intensive build or not. My character concept is that my character isn't a typical barbarian....he's more like a warrior created to be rough and fight magic (hences the superstition rage power tree). He suppose to understand enough and be clever in battle and use his ferocity when he needs to (hence rage).
So here is what I could do if I want to do 15 point buy....i just have to lower my dex by 2....which hurts but maybe not so bad? I always feel like barbarians are fast shock troopers than slow tanks like fighters.
str: 19
dex: 12
con: 15
int: 10
wis: 10
cha: 7
I would have one extra feat and skill points now. So my thought would be that he shrugs of damage and thats why I picked the Invulnerable Rager archetype. I also got the feat Tireless from a 3.5 book as a regional feat so now I can rage hop from level 1. So what other good feats would be good for a shock trooper?
This is what I have currently. So I don't think it would be that feat intensive...so maybe I might keep dual talent.
1st Power attack
3rd raging vitality
5th Iron will
7th extra rage power (witch hunter)
9th Bloster resilience or combat reflexes
11th extra rage power( eater of magic)
13th dazing assualt
15th raging brutality
rage powers:
2nd superstition
4th lesser beast totem
6th beast totem
8th spell Sunder
10th greater beast totem
12th come and get me
14th strength surge
16th reckless abandon
18th Ghost rager