Martial Mastery + Weapon in Two Weapon Groups


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Martial Mastery feat:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/arg-feats/martial-mastery-combat-human

Suppose I have combat feats targeting a weapon in two groups, such as Temple Sword, which is both in the Monk Weapons Group, and the Heavy Blades group. Do those feats then apply to all weapons in *both* groups? From Unarmed Strikes to Greatswords?

Shadow Lodge

I would pick one group to apply the Martial Mastery feat to. So if you have Weapon Focus (Temple Sword), Weapon Specialization (Temple Sword), and Martial Mastery, you choose whether Martial Mastery gives you Weapon Focus (Monk Weapons) and Weapon Specialization (Monk Weapons) or Weapon Focus (Heavy Blades) and Weapon Specialization (Heavy Blades).


If the text in the book is the same as the text on the website it says nothing about choosing a weapon group when you take the feat. It looks to me like you're good to go for both groups.

Shadow Lodge

I suspect that's only because it didn't occur to the person who wrote the feat that a weapon might be in two groups.

Martial Mastery Feat wrote:
Benefit: Each combat feat you have that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus) can be used with all weapons in the same weapon group.

The use of "group," singular, indicates to me that this was not intended to allow you to use one weapon-specific feat with two weapon groups, plural.


Hmm, too bad, but I think Weirdo probably has the RAI. Otherwise, you could do, say, Unarmed Strike or Tiger Fork and get three groups. Crazy :)

I'm doing a fighter/monk gestalt build, which is why it became relevant. Guess I'll just have to be satisfied with the feats applying to all monk weapons :)


It's correct. But you would have to be a lvl 16 Human Fighter though to get this feat and have already taken Martial Versatility.
They knew that certain weapons are in more than one group. It appears at most a weapon could belong to two weapon groups (whatever group and then monk. it appears to be only <insert weapon group> and monk weapon group.) but just because a weapon belongs to two weapon groups and you can use the feat with them doesn't mean you are proficient with them. you would have to take even more feats which would then waste a feat for something else. meaning yeah you could take exotic weapon prof: some monk weapon to get it to be used with all monk weapons but you just had to waste a feat for it. In this case Temple Sword is an exotic weapon and you would have to take it as a feat reducing the amount of useful feats you would want to take. In this case three feats.

All in all, it would come down to what your DM decides on this one. If I were to DM I would allow Martial Mastery to work with more than one weapon group though because you would have to waste a feat spot to get it to work without negatives and the fact that you would need to be a level 16 human fighter and have already taken at least three other feats to even use it with proficiency.
Most games I have played we didn't get to go passed level 15 anyways in the campaign before we finished.
But I am not sure if I would allow gestalt characters though as they can be too powerful in certain combinations. Like monk fighter being able to flurry of blows with with a temple sword getting all the bonuses because you could take all the feats without worry because you get all the bonus feats from a fighter and all the bonus feats from a Monk...

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