Quick Draw + 2 hidden daggers in a single turn?

[VerdantSF]

Are there any feat synergies that would allow a rogue with Quick Draw to bring out 2 hidden daggers in a single move action? With just Quick draw, it looks like I can only bring out 1 hidden dagger as a move action and then attack with it using my standard action.

Quick Draw (Combat)
You can draw weapons faster than most.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can draw a weapon as a free action instead of as a move action. You can draw a hidden weapon (see the Sleight of Hand skill) as a move action.

Normal: Without this feat, you may draw a weapon as a move action, or (if your base attack bonus is +1 or higher) as a free action as part of movement. Without this feat, you can draw a hidden weapon as a standard action.

[Adamantine Dragon]

If you can make two attacks per turn, either through TWF or BAB of +6/+1 or any other way, you can "quickdraw" your weapon as a free action as part of the attack.

So you could quickdraw half a dozen daggers in one turn if you had that many attacks.

Some GMs will insist that your daggers not be hidden, but if they are simply concealed by a bit of shirt or something, I would allow quickdraws. If they were buried in a leather container, that's a different matter. Quickdraw assumes your daggers are in accessible sheaths. If they aren't in accessible sheaths, then yes, one per move action.

[VerdantSF]

Thanks! I also *just* noticed this little tidbit:

If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.

However, since attacking with two weapons requires the full attack option, and drawing hidden weapons requires a move action (instead of a free action for non-hidden), should I just stick to a single weapon draw for the initial surprise attack?

[Adamantine Dragon]

Yes, I think that is your best bet.

[Grick]

Adamantine Dragon wrote:

If you can make two attacks per turn, either through TWF or BAB of +6/+1 or any other way, you can "quickdraw" your weapon as a free action as part of the attack.

Everyone can make two attacks per turn, the two-weapon fighting feat doesn't enable this, it just reduces the penalties.

If you have the Quick Draw feat, you can draw a non-hidden weapon as a free action. You have unlimited free actions, so you can draw as many weapons as you like. There's no dependency on TWF or BAB (other than the prerequisite for the feat) and it's not restricted to being part of an attack.

If you don't have quick draw, you can draw a non-hidden weapon as a free action combined with a regular move, not as part of an attack.

VerdantSF wrote:

However, since attacking with two weapons requires the full attack option, and drawing hidden weapons requires a move action (instead of a free action for non-hidden), should I just stick to a single weapon draw for the initial surprise attack?

If the weapons are hidden, you have to use the rules for drawing a hidden weapon. Standard action, or move action with quick draw.

If the weapons are not hidden, they are plainly visible, and you use the normal rules for drawing a weapon. Move action, or free with a move action to move with +1 BAB, or as a free action with quick draw.

You could argue that if you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat and the Quick Draw feat that you could draw two hidden light or one-handed weapons with a single move action.

[VerdantSF]

Grick wrote:

You could argue that if you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat and the Quick Draw feat that you could draw two hidden light or one-handed weapons with a single move action.

Sounds legit to me, too, though attacking with both weapons would require a full attack, which I wouldn't have since I used a move action. I'll still draw both weapons so the offhand one is ready for the next turn, but I'll just strike with one. A single hidden dagger strike isn't too shabby when approaching someone proclaiming, "I'm unarmed!" :).

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Or you could just use spring-loaded wrist sheaths...

[Adamantine Dragon]

Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

Or you could just use spring-loaded wrist sheaths...

I wondered when those would come up...