Would combining Stone Call + Elemental Spell + Rime Spell be RAW?
Awfully big no save no spell resistance entangle, that also take low flyers, for two rounds. And it is low enough to put in a wand. Only protection is if the target does not take damage from 2d6 cold damage through immunities or the like.
It says they're compatible. It would just bump the spell up two levels to a level 4(?) spell.
Multiple Metamagic Feats on a Spell: A spellcaster can apply multiple metamagic feats to a single spell. Changes to its level are cumulative. You can't apply the same metamagic feat more than once to a single spell.
But it wouldn't work with a wand.
The modifications made by these feats only apply to spells cast directly by the feat user. A spellcaster can't use a metamagic feat to alter a spell being cast from a wand, scroll, or other device.
As stone call deals bludgeoning damage not elemental damage I don't think you can change it with elementals spell to deal cold damage. And rime spell triggers by dealing cold damage.
But I could be wrong at that.
Which would be grat because a rime magic missile would be nice. At higher levels you could entangle a lot of creatures with that.
Up until now I use rime spell with frost fall and ice storm to great effect. Is a really strong debuff with no save allowed.
Even better with spells like icestorm (or if it works stone call) that turn the ground to difficult terrain for 1/4 movement range.
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Elemental Spell doesn't specify that it changes one elemental type into another, it just says "You may replace a spell’s normal damage with that energy type", the normal damage being physical bludgeoning damage.
Replacing an energy type with another is probably what they meant (though it is very ambiguous...), but he wanted RAW, so there it is.
Yes it would work. You would have a 4th lvl spell that did half cold damage and half bludgeoning damage and entangled creatures for 2 round.
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It looks like a writer oversight. I don't think it's supposed to work that way; elemental spells (except acid) nearly always allow Spell Resistance, but Stone Call doesn't, because it pounds people with (magical? nonmagical?) gravel.
That said, RAW it seems you can use Elemental Spell to do make Stone Call do cold damage.
HOWEVER: Elemental Spell doesn't give spells an element descriptor, such as [cold], and Rime Spell insists that the spell must have spells with the [cold] descriptor. The lack of descriptor change in Elemental Spell is probably also an oversight; you can make a [fire] Fireball that deals only cold damage, which would be weird.
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It says they're compatible. It would just bump the spell up two levels to a level 4(?) spell.
Multiple Metamagic Feats on a Spell: A spellcaster can apply multiple metamagic feats to a single spell. Changes to its level are cumulative. You can't apply the same metamagic feat more than once to a single spell.But it wouldn't work with a wand.
The modifications made by these feats only apply to spells cast directly by the feat user. A spellcaster can't use a metamagic feat to alter a spell being cast from a wand, scroll, or other device.
Though you cannot normally modify a spell cast by a wand, scroll or other item you can make a wand of elemental cold rime stone call. It would be a sand casting a 4th level spell with a 7th level carting.
you can make a wand of elemental cold rime stone call. It would be a sand casting a 4th level spell with a 7th level carting.
PHOOOOONNNNEEEEESSSSS!
Though you cannot normally modify a spell cast by a wand, scroll or other item you can make a wand of elemental cold rime stone call. It would be a sand casting a 4th level spell with a 7th level carting.
Wait, seriously? That's pretty cool.
So that means you could make a whole bunch of "new, never before seen" wands with Metamagic Feats? I like that.
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I think it's funny that by going strict RAW, this combo doesn't work (because Elemental Spell can't enable Rime Spell), while if you fix Elemental Spell to the presumable RAI, the combo also doesn't work (because then you can't make Stone Call cold anymore).
Oh, and metamagic magic items are cool yeah. I keep meaning to make some Reach scrolls of Calcific Touch and Summon Swarm.
Next time, make sure to post all the relevant things when asking about them, so we don't have to look around for it :)
You are right, off course. Very sorry.