Hexcrafter Magus gives up Spell Recall at level 4 for access to hexes.
Hexcrafter Magus still seems to get access to Improved Spell Recall at level 4
I see three possible outcomes:
1) Since they lose access to Spell Recall at 4, they don't get anything at level 11.
2) Since they lose access to Spell Recall at 4, they gain ordinary Spell Recall at level 11.
3) They don't actually need Spell Recall to gain Improved Spell Recall and they get the actual level 11 ability.
Anyone know which of those three cases is true?
most likely scenario 2.
It is stated somewhere that archetypes that give up a lower level version of an ability and not the higher one instead gain the lower level version at the later time.
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It is stated somewhere that archetypes that give up a lower level version of an ability and not the higher one instead gain the lower level version at the later time.
Do you know where this is stated? (Makes a couple of archetypes a little better than they otherwise would have been)
It started in Ultimate Magic, but it's a safe assumption it applies to archetypes in APG as well.
Alternate Class Features: "If an archetype replaces a class ability that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter's weapon training or a ranger's favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue's +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, when she reaches 5th level and gains a sneak attack bonus, her sneak attack doesn't jump from +1d6 to +3d6—it improves to +2d6, just as if she had finally gained the increase at 3rd level. This adjustment continues for every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue."
Thanks Grick!