Can arcane mark be used against an unwilling/hostile living being? Would the attempt to place such a mark be considered a touch attack? Is there any limit to the number of marks that may be placed upon an enemy combatant?
Can arcane mark be used against an unwilling/hostile living being?Yes, provided you can touch said being and it has a discernible surface to leave the mark on.
Would the attempt to place such a mark be considered a touch attack?Yes, it's just another touch-ranged spell really.
Is there any limit to the number of marks that may be placed upon an enemy combatant?
Space limitations perhaps, but there's no reason why Arcane Marks can't overlap.
Now what I'm curious about is: can you change "your personal rune or mark" and if so: how often?
I will answer what is almost certainly the secret agenda behind this question:
Yes, a Magus can cast Arcane Mark with Spell Combat to, effectively, get a free attack via Spellstrike. It is a standard tactic for them, in fact.
Brand is also nice for this if you are a Hexcrafter Magus, as it actually deals 1 point of damage.
I will answer what is almost certainly the secret agenda behind this question:
Yes, a Magus can cast Arcane Mark with Spell Combat to, effectively, get a free attack via Spellstrike. It is a standard tactic for them, in fact.
Okay. You caught me.
So, this "hypothetical" magus, using Spell Combat to cast arcane mark in addition to his melee attack(s), which allows no save and is not subject to SR, could use Deliquescent Gloves to deliver 1d6 points of acid damage through this melee touch attack, yes?
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It seems a bit dangerous, to be leaving corpses behind with your identifiable markings on them.
Because it is a spell with the range of touch.
If you don't want to leave a personal mark, tag your targets with light.
Personally, I prefer touch of fatigue, but to each his own.
You can only have a single instance of "light" active at any time, so you could only mark one target with light. If you mark a new target, your old "light" disappears.
He is just casting the spell to get a free attack, AD, I don't think he cares if the previous light goes away.
Ah, the "targets" thing threw me, but I see what's going on now.
I'm not sure you can actually use the Deliquescent Gloves melee touch attack to deliver the Arcane Mark - unless you are making an attack via Spellstrike
Why not?
Gloves, Deliquescent: "The wearer’s melee touch attacks with that hand deal 1d6 points of acid damage."
Delivering an Arcane Mark (or Light spell or Shocking Grasp etc.) is a melee touch attack, so it should deal 1d6 points of acid damage.
Yes, Spellstrike would probably also get the extra 1d6 (if it's not already Corrosive or at +10), but if he's having trouble hitting, it might be worth the loss of weapon damage/crit range in order to target touch AC.
I agree, JM, in Pathfinder light can no longer target creatures, and thus would not be suitable for spellstrike.
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If you don't want to leave a personal mark, tag your targets with light.
Personally, I prefer touch of fatigue, but to each his own.
Target: object touched
Not a valid choice to get a extra attack against something that isn't an object.
As written the Deliquescent Gloves work with all attacks you make with that hand, touch, unarmed strikes or with weapons, so there is no need to cast a spell to get the extra damage.
You only need the spell for teh extra attack if you are a magus.
Why not?
Gloves, Deliquescent: "The wearer’s melee touch attacks with that hand deal 1d6 points of acid damage."
Delivering an Arcane Mark (or Light spell or Shocking Grasp etc.) is a melee touch attack, so it should deal 1d6 points of acid damage.
Yes, Spellstrike would probably also get the extra 1d6 (if it's not already Corrosive or at +10), but if he's having trouble hitting, it might be worth the loss of weapon damage/crit range in order to target touch AC.
Well the problem with that idea is that when using spellstrike you're not actually using "that hand" to deliver the touch attack, you use you sword.
Or were you talking about simply arcane marking people with your actual hand?
Well the problem with that idea is that when using spellstrike you're not actually using "that hand" to deliver the touch attack, you use you sword.
Or were you talking about simply arcane marking people with your actual hand?
Rycaut was unsure if you could use the gloves to deliver an Arcane Mark with a touch attack. I pointed out that since delivering an arcane mark to an enemy is a melee touch attack, the gloves would apply.
If you were using Spellstrike to make a weapon attack, instead of a touch attack, then the weapon would gain Corrosive, so unless the weapon was already corrosive, or unless it was already maxed out at +10 effective enhancement, the gloves would apply.
What I missed in my reading of the Glove was that it applied to ALL melee touch attacks - I thought it read that it GAVE you a melee touch attack that did 1d6 acid - so I thought the original poster was trying to combine the spell's melee touch with another melee touch attack (which a magus could do via spellstrike w/o any issues).
Spellstrike wouldn't do anything like that.
The only reason Spellstrike kind of works with the gloves is that the gloves make the weapon Corrosive. If the gloves only applied to touch attacks, then that would never work with Spellstrike, because the gloves are not a magus spell.
And on the +10 question are you sure that is true?
Magic Weapons: "A single weapon cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents, including those from character abilities and spells) higher than +10."
Deliquescent Gloves: "If the wearer uses that hand to wield a weapon or make an attack with an unarmed strike or natural weapon, that attack gains the corrosive weapon special ability."
I think that would count towards the +10 cap. Though it does say the "attack" gains corrosive, not the weapon. So maybe not?
Grick, I think Rycaut was thinking of the OP using the gloves as the weapon, not the spell, in the spellstrike scenario... ei. magus casts touch of fatigue and uses the gloves to spellstrike... (which would,of course be pointless)