Greetings,
Is there any way to get the flurry of blows ability without being a monk?
Also...
Is there any way to get like 7 attacks (like twf/flurry) with unarmed strikes without being a monk?
As you can see I am interested in getting more then the regular 4 attacks that I will get with a bab of 16 and using unarmed without being a monk.
Your help here is dearly appreciated!
/Thrilled
There are no known ways to get Flurry of Blows without taking levels of Monk.
Though with the recent errata to it, why would you even want to take it? It's a weaker TWF now.
Ohhh what did the recent errata do???
Well my goal is to get at least 7 attacks with my bare hands then without flurry.
I mean there are no reasons what so ever not being able to hit as much with your bare hands compared to using two weapon fighting and dual scimitars.
There are many reasons it would be possible:
1.) Cnly x2 crit on the hands (falcatas have x3 and are dual wieldable)
2.) Threat range is only 19-20 with IC on hands whereas falcatas has 17-20
I just want to be a non monk class but using my hands to fight (brawler type) and not be limited to only 4 attacks.
How do I do??
;)
/Thrilled
Greetings,
Is there any way to get the flurry of blows ability without being a monk?
Also...
Is there any way to get like 7 attacks (like twf/flurry) with unarmed strikes without being a monk?
As you can see I am interested in getting more then the regular 4 attacks that I will get with a bab of 16 and using unarmed without being a monk.
Your help here is dearly appreciated!
/Thrilled
Go fighter, get a pair of brass knuckles and take all the TWF feats, then beat the **** out of that annoying Bruce Lee-lookalike who thinks he can fight and steal his robe.
Well look alike wise it would work...
But for my build it won't since then I would not be able to use style feats which I really want since they require unarmed strikes (which brass knuckles are not considered being).
If they made it like they did in DDO so there was handwraps available that would use the twf feats but not do anything to the damage then that would be perfect as well. Of course you could add +5 and elementals as per any other weapon as well on those but no inherent extra damage.
/Thrilled
Then spend a feat on Improved Unarmed Strike, or better still dip two levels of Master of Many Styles monk (it's basically there to make non-monks better at being monks than monks).
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Greetings,
Is there any way to get the flurry of blows ability without being a monk?
Also...
Is there any way to get like 7 attacks (like twf/flurry) with unarmed strikes without being a monk?
As you can see I am interested in getting more then the regular 4 attacks that I will get with a bab of 16 and using unarmed without being a monk.
Your help here is dearly appreciated!
/Thrilled
Unarmed Interative attacks with two weapon fighting progresses faster than flurry of blows on a full BAB character.
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Unarmed Interative attacks with two weapon fighting progresses faster than flurry of blows on a full BAB character.Greetings,
Is there any way to get the flurry of blows ability without being a monk?
Also...
Is there any way to get like 7 attacks (like twf/flurry) with unarmed strikes without being a monk?
As you can see I am interested in getting more then the regular 4 attacks that I will get with a bab of 16 and using unarmed without being a monk.
Your help here is dearly appreciated!
/Thrilled
Fighter starting with Improved Unarmed Strike, Two Weapon Fighting and Double Slice matches FoB.
As stated above, a two level dip into MoMS will get you where you want faster.
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Then spend a feat on Improved Unarmed Strike, or better still dip two levels of Master of Many Styles monk (it's basically there to make non-monks better at being monks than monks).
I can't take monk class into my build since it requires that I am lawful and if I am lawful then I can't have the barbarian levels I am intending to have (unless there is a way beside Maenad which is ruled out of the campaign since it's a 3rd party race).
It'll work without it, have no fear. Just take Imp Unarmed Strike and you will be fine.
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Then spend a feat on Improved Unarmed Strike, or better still dip two levels of Master of Many Styles monk (it's basically there to make non-monks better at being monks than monks).I can't take monk class into my build since it requires that I am lawful and if I am lawful then I can't have the barbarian levels I am intending to have (unless there is a way beside Maenad which is ruled out of the campaign since it's a 3rd party race).
Martial Artist does not have a Lawful requirement.
Unarmed Interative attacks with two weapon fighting progresses faster than flurry of blows on a full BAB character.Greetings,
Is there any way to get the flurry of blows ability without being a monk?
Also...
Is there any way to get like 7 attacks (like twf/flurry) with unarmed strikes without being a monk?
As you can see I am interested in getting more then the regular 4 attacks that I will get with a bab of 16 and using unarmed without being a monk.
Your help here is dearly appreciated!
/Thrilled
Fighter starting with Improved Unarmed Strike, Two Weapon Fighting and Double Slice matches FoB.
As stated above, a two level dip into MoMS will get you where you want faster.
Aranthos thanks for the replies - But I really don't understand.. how it would work.
1.) Taking TWF feat doesn't give you more attacks with your unarmed strikes since it only applies to when using two weapons and not unarmed (this is the same in herolabs when I add twf feat then I still do not gain any extra attacks to the unarmed strike, but I surely do with weapons)
2.) What would MoMS do to get me there faster? It only gives me fused styles and improved unarmed strike, but I could get IUS and TWF as a lvl 1 fighter as well. **edit - Took away the part regarding not being able to have monk and barbarian due to lawful (due to martial artist)
Interesting discussion this is (master yoda style)
/Thrilled
Aranthos thanks for the replies - But I really don't understand.. how it would work.
1.) Taking TWF feat doesn't give you more attacks with your unarmed strikes since it only applies to when using two weapons and not unarmed (this is the same in herolabs when I add twf feat then I still do not gain any extra attacks to the unarmed strike, but I surely do with weapons)
The wording is not that clear, but there is a consensus that it should work just fine with unarmed strikes by RAI.
2.) What would MoMS do to get me there faster? It only gives me fused styles and improved unarmed strike, but I could get IUS and TWF as a lvl 1 fighter as well. **edit - Took away the part regarding not being able to have monk and barbarian due to lawful (due to martial artist)
Two levels of MoMS gives you two free style feats free of qualifying requirements, as well as a bunch of other monk goodies. You could go fighter, switch to MoMS, and at level 4 cease to be lawful and go barbarian.
Aranthos thanks for the replies - But I really don't understand.. how it would work.
1.) Taking TWF feat doesn't give you more attacks with your unarmed strikes since it only applies to when using two weapons and not unarmed (this is the same in herolabs when I add twf feat then I still do not gain any extra attacks to the unarmed strike, but I surely do with weapons)
The wording is not that clear, but there is a consensus that it should work just fine with unarmed strikes by RAI.
2.) What would MoMS do to get me there faster? It only gives me fused styles and improved unarmed strike, but I could get IUS and TWF as a lvl 1 fighter as well. **edit - Took away the part regarding not being able to have monk and barbarian due to lawful (due to martial artist)Two levels of MoMS gives you two free style feats free of qualifying requirements, as well as a bunch of other monk goodies. You could go fighter, switch to MoMS, and at level 4 cease to be lawful and go barbarian.
I certainly do agree upon this one... as I said before I can't see any kind of reason why TWF shouldn't work with unarmed strikes (with the exception that it shouldn't work together with flurry, so it should be the one OR the other not both combined) since I would say it would be even more logical that unarmed strikes would be able to pull of more attacks then twf. Actually you can as a monk if you spend ki. The trade off for not being the monk and using unarmed strikes and twf would be the lack of ki to get the extra attack.
So I indeed approve this... so for me it's more a matter of having some kind of official statement regarding this so it can be shown to the GM that it indeed is RAI. So any links that would point this out to me would be immensively helpful!
Then regarding the MoMS I am intrigued to know what you mean that at lvl 4 I should cease to be lawful? How do I do that and what would happen then?
/Thrilled
Unarmed Strike is a weapon.
Two Weapon Fighting requires Two Weapons.
You're using Two, Unarmed Strikes while Two Weapon Fighting.
The only ones who can't use Unarmed Strikes while Two Weapon Fighting are Monks because the Monk Unarmed Strike has that little add on that says a Monk doesn't have an off-hand. Since a Monk doesn't have an off-hand, he can't benefit from the extra off-hand attack that Two Weapon Fighting Provides.
But if you go Brawler Fighter (and don't dip Monk), you can avoid that whole issue. Per RAW.
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Go Two-Weapon Fighting and take the Medusa's Wrath chain of feats and you'll be largely indistinguishable from Monk with your number of attacks. But every one will know you're not a Monk because your attacks will hit and deal pretty darn good damage as well.
There is an Unarmed Fighter variant. Also, as the DM if you can use superior unarmed strike from Tome of Battle. If he cringes at the mention of ToB, just say you ONLY want superior unarmed strike. Most DMs are good with that feat. Basically scales your unarmed strikes as you level.
Also ask if you can get snap kick, that gives you an extra attack if you make ANY unarmed attack. This means even if you do a charge, or just a standard action.
Be a fighter.
Two weapon fighting tree.
22/22/17/17/12/12/7 Weapon training 4, also you get +4 to damage as well.
You can do rapid shot with two weapon fighting, so you can get 8 attacks. You might get an AoO, but you get 8 attacks if you use a shuriken or have quick draw, or just start with a throwing weapon in one hand.
If you intentionally commit non-lawful acts, you will eventually cease to be lawful. You can't continue leveling up in Monk, but you don't lose any Monk abilities.
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Thanks Tels - Which equals to "Ex member" ;) Perfectly fine.. I will most likely start as a barbarian and then change my bad behaviours and become lawful neutral instead of true neutral then.
I appreciate everyone that have given me advices here :)
Now the only supersweet thing would be some kind of official statement that says unarmed strikes can be increased with the TWF feat line (which makes perfectly sense) as it also seems to me the general consensus that it should work and also are RAI.
/Thrilled