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How is a bard casting druid spells?
And what elemental spell are you talking about with rime spell?!? The only one I know of that would cause a duration on anything near frost damage is elemental aura which is a WIZARD spell. How the hell if your bard casting wizard spells?!?
And isn't the flaming sun shield a cleric of sarenre spell?
Yes if you don't play by the rules, you can have some issue...like letting a bard get spells from ANY spell list.
As for flame blade and reach spell, you can't apply it. It makes a range touch into short, short into med and med into long. Flmae blade has a range of none of those so it is not a valid spell to apply this meta magic to.
Vital strike and critical feats works like for any other weapon.
The Bard cast evey spell in the Question? The answer is mosty likely UMD.
Flame Blade by Raw can not be due to fact it is Range 0FT... But you make touch attacks with it just like Chill Touch which has a range of touch. So I see no reason why it not touch. I think the spell flame blade just bad edit.
As far vital Strike and other weapon like feat use with spell Jason B said that are fine if spell make weapon like effect. You have search the board for that ruleing.
Flame Blade
School evocation [fire]; Level druid 2
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, DF
Range 0 ft.
Effect sword-like beam
Duration 1 min./level (D)
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance yes
A 3-foot-long, blazing beam of red-hot fire springs forth from your hand. You wield this blade-like beam as if it were a scimitar. Attacks with the flame blade are melee touch attacks. The blade deals 1d8 points of fire damage + 1 point per two caster levels (maximum +10). Since the blade is immaterial, your Strength modifier does not apply to the damage. A flame blade can ignite combustible materials such as parchment, straw, dry sticks, and cloth.
That sound pretty weapon like to me.
And isn't the flaming sun shield a cleric of sarenre spell?
Can someone point me to this spell, I cant seem to find it.
And isn't the flaming sun shield a cleric of sarenre spell?Can someone point me to this spell, I cant seem to find it.
It's from the Inner Sea World Guide I believe...
You can't use Reach Spell on Flame Blade. (reach spell requires the spell to have a range of Touch, Short, or Medium. Flame Blade has 0ft, which is not the same as touch.
And he meant the Elemental Spell metamagic feat, which should work on Flame Blade.. and I believe if you use Elemental Spell to make it Cold, you could use Rime Spell too.
What I don't know is how the Bard is using Flame Blade, but like someone said probably UMD.
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So...tell me again which book exactly...because I have never heard of add flameblade to bard spell list. And it kinda sounds like NOBODY else has heard of this either as we are all assuming scrolls here. That maybe a clue that you are not reading the rules correctly.
For instance, you still seem to not grasp that range: 0 ft is not the same as range touch. For reach spell to be used, you need ranged: touch, close or med. 0ft is none of those and so reach spell does squat. Forgive me if I think you maybe reading the rules a bit wrong there...like maybe forgetting the spell must be the same type which is often used for add spells to a spell list ability?
And yes you can houserule (custom spells ARE houserules FYI) all you want...but if you houserule something and it seems to be too good...maybe...just MAYBE you messed up and it's an issue with your bloody houserule and not a PF rules question...and those question do not belong in this forum anyways. If you have issues with your houserule, go to the houserule/suggestion forum.
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So...tell me again which book exactly...because I have never heard of add flameblade to bard spell list. And it kinda sounds like NOBODY else has heard of this either as we are all assuming scrolls here. That maybe a clue that you are not reading the rules correctly.
Let your napalm cool down, man, he's not making up house rules. ;-) He's referring to SKR's Pathfinder Chronicles supplement Gods and Magic from 2008. According to the book, "priests" of a deity (which in this context means not only clerics but also paladins, rangers, bards, and other spellcasters) may add a few extra spells on their class's spell list.
[Priests of Sarenrae who are] Bards, clerics, paladins, and rangers may prepare flame blade as a 2nd-level spell.
Since it was published in 2008 - that's before the release of the PF RPG - it's arguable whether it's truly a Pathfinder RPG supplement. But hey, backwards compatibility... :D
Elemental Spell (Metamagic) [cold]: "Benefit: Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell's normal damage with that energy type or split the spell's damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type. An elemental spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level."
Rime Spell (Metamagic): "Benefit: The frost of your cold spell clings to the target, impeding it for a short time. A rime spell causes creatures that takes cold damage from the spell to become entangled for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor. A rime spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level."
If you allow the d20 resource to let the bard cast Flame Blade, and if you rule that Elemental Spell changes the descriptor, then yes, the bard could cast an elemental rime flame blade using a 4th level spell slot and full-round action to cast.
Since the flame blade is a weapon-like spell, it would benefit from bonuses to weapon damage rolls. See this FAQ for details.
Reach Spell (Metamagic): "Spells that do not have a range of touch, close, or medium do not benefit from this feat."
Flame Blade: "Range 0 ft."
Flame Blade does not have a range of touch, close, or medium, and so it does not benefit from Reach Spell.
When I get home tonight I will have to look up in Faiths of Purity (I think that is the title) to see if a bard of Saerenae (sp) still gets flameblade. Black Powder Chocobo, dervish danace would work.
Only thing missing is Dervish Dance!
James Jacobs: "You'd get your Dex mod to attack rolls, but that's about it. Like how strength can't modify a flame blade's damage, neither can Dexterity with Dervish Dance."
-edit- forgot the rules!
Dervish Dance (Combat): "When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls."
Flame Blade: "Since the blade is immaterial, your Strength modifier does not apply to the damage."
and good hope and inspire wotsit are cumulative...so singing is good
and good hope and inspire wotsit are cumulative...so singing is good
Inspire Courage (Su) is only a morale bonus for the saves, it's a competence bonus for attack and damage. Good Hope is a morale bonus to everything, so the bonus to saves will not stack, but the rest will.
The Archaeologist archetype doesn't get bardic performance, so it doesn't really matter to the character in question.
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So...tell me again which book exactly...because I have never heard of add flameblade to bard spell list. And it kinda sounds like NOBODY else has heard of this either as we are all assuming scrolls here. That maybe a clue that you are not reading the rules correctly.Let your napalm cool down, man, he's not making up house rules. ;-) He's referring to SKR's Pathfinder Chronicles supplement Gods and Magic from 2008. According to the book, "priests" of a deity (which in this context means not only clerics but also paladins, rangers, bards, and other spellcasters) may add a few extra spells on their class's spell list.
[Priests of Sarenrae who are] Bards, clerics, paladins, and rangers may prepare flame blade as a 2nd-level spell.
Since it was published in 2008 - that's before the release of the PF RPG - it's arguable whether it's truly a Pathfinder RPG supplement. But hey, backwards compatibility... :D
So the issue is a third party material for 3.5 basically...which was houseruled to work in this game...so not a rules issue so much as a houserule one...other then the question of if you can reach spell flame blade...which is a very emphatic NO.
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Umm...your samarasan bard is ILLEGAL. You can not get flameblade with the mystic past life for a bard as the spells you add to the spell list must be the same type. So you can add arcane spells to your spell list as a bard. Honestly this ability works better the other way around. Stick this on a full 9 level arcane and suddenly you can pick up spells from the bard list at silly low levels along with the healing spells.
Now you could do it with the inquistor however.
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Didn't realise gods and magic was not official. I have found it invaluable fleshing out npcs, pcs and making things fun and flavour some. Also has really helped pcs choose faiths. The difference between a cleric played by a player that choose a faith they like the theory of and not just the domains is staggering.
I'm fairly sure that all Pathfinder products published before the change from 3.5 to PF RPG are still official Pathfinder canon. So, there is really no reason not to use the fluff to flesh out your NPCs and PCs unless you happen to have a newer source with updated info on the deities that contradicts what's said in Gods and Magic.