Question about Fame, PP, Faction missions and 1st level re-writes


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Silver Crusade

Ok, after nearly two years of a home game I was finally convinced to try PFS. I made a barbarian and we were run through an adventure that was very difficult and I was not happy with the Barbarian (Silver Crusade).

So I created a nice Wizard (Conj, Teleportation) and made his faction the Silver Crusade. I ran through an adventure which through coincidence was the same one the barbarian ran through-which you can apparently do at 1st level. I let the other players take the lead and was complimented on not using player knowledge to help my character (not relevant but that is my super-power).

So here is my question. The Silver Crusade faction quest was challenging to complete and after the game I read the other quests and they seemed quite simple.

1) Is it the case normally that the Silver Crusade is challenging or does it vary with the adventure?

2) If I want to use my 1st level re-write to switch factions do the points from previous adventures carry over or do I start over?

3) What are the popular factions? Two players were Andoran and I saw that having a friend help on missions is very nice.

4) Does Osirion have interesting missions? My character is Garundi (which I think is from that area) and I want him to be an Osirion national.

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Sefu Akina wrote:

I made a barbarian and we were run through an adventure that was very difficult and I was not happy with the Barbarian (Silver Crusade).

So I created a nice Wizard (Conj, Teleportation) and made his faction the Silver Crusade. I ran through an adventure which through coincidence was the same one the barbarian ran through-which you can apparently do at 1st level.

Hmm, you might have a problem here. For most scenarios, you can only ever play them for credit once. If you played it a second time (even with a completely different character) you wouldn't get the benefit of any XP, prestige, gold, etc.

There are a few scenarios & modules that can be played infinite times for credit at first level, but none of them have faction missions, so I doubt you played one of them.

Talking to your GM or local venture officer is probably the easiest way to get it resolved.

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So here is my question. The Silver Crusade faction quest was challenging to complete and after the game I read the other quests and they seemed quite simple.

1) Is it the case normally that the Silver Crusade is challenging or does it vary with the adventure?

It varies. As a GM, I can usually spot that some faction missions are a lot more challenging than others, but which faction has the gimmie and which has the impossible mission varies from scenario to scenario.

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2) If I want to use my 1st level re-write to switch factions do the points from previous adventures carry over or do I start over?

If you switch at first level, they carry over. After that you can switch, but you have to pay some prestige to do so.

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3) What are the popular factions? Two players were Andoran and I saw that having a friend help on missions is very nice.

Andoran, Grand Lodge and Shadow Lodge are all popular in my experience.

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4) Does Osirion have interesting missions? My character is Garundi (which I think is from that area) and I want him to be an Osirion national.

They don't differ much from the norm for faction missions. Taldor and Cheliax missions are often zanier than the rest.

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Which scenario did you play twice? Was it one of the First Steps scenarios? If so, you likely have a situation now where you have two level 1 characters each with 1 XP and 2 Fame/PP.

Under most circumstances, a player cannot receive credit for a scenario more than once as a player and once as a GM. If it is a Tier 1 scenario or module, the player may replay for credit with another 1st level character.

If you do not like your barbarian, your options are to rework him as something different. As he is still 1st level, this is allowed. You other choice is to simply not play that character any more. In PFS play, it is often helpful to have multiple characters.

Faction missions will vary from scenario to scenario. Sometimes they are easy and other times they are hard. It is acceptable to receive help on your faction missions. If you have members of the same faction in the party it is expected that they will work together. As long as a mission is not secret, it is also acceptable to enlist the help of characters from other factions.

Silver Crusade

The Scenario was 3-05 Tide of Twilight according to the session report. Two seperate DMs just happened to pick the same scenario. Our group is just starting to really get into PFS and no one thought to check what anyone had played.

I am fine with getting credit once for the first time I played. How do I find out who the local Venture-Captain might be? Somewhere in the PFS section of Paizo?

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That can not be replayed. That being said you can can use the rebuild to rebuild your Barbarian into your wizard and not loose credit for playing it the first time.

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Sefu Akina wrote:
The Scenario was 3-05 Tide of Twilight according to the session report.

Then unfortunately, the second one was for no credit, which the GM should have told you ahead of time. Did he give you a chronicle sheet the second time?

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Sefu Akina wrote:
. How do I find out who the local Venture-Captain might be? Somewhere in the PFS section of Paizo?

Regional Coordinators

Silver Crusade

Evan Whitefield wrote:
That can not be replayed. That being said you can can use the rebuild to rebuild your Barbarian into your wizard and not lose credit for playing it the first time.

Alright I will do that. If I change factions do my PP and such carry over?

Can I find a list of re-playable 1st level adventures somewhere?

Silver Crusade

Michael Brock wrote:
Sefu Akina wrote:
. How do I find out who the local Venture-Captain might be? Somewhere in the PFS section of Paizo?

Regional Coordinators

Thanks. It looks like there is no coordinator for Charlotte, NC so do I contact the one in Asheville or Raleigh or someone else?

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karkon wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Sefu Akina wrote:
. How do I find out who the local Venture-Captain might be? Somewhere in the PFS section of Paizo?

Regional Coordinators

Thanks. It looks like there is no coordinator for Charlotte, NC so do I contact the one in Asheville or Raleigh or someone else?

Whichever is closer to you.

3/5

For the rebuild it does but after that you have to follow the Changing Faction rules in the organized play guide.

Scenarios:
Intro 1: In Service to Lore
Intro 2: To Delve the Dungeon Deep
Intro 3: A Vision of Betrayal

Mods:
Masters of the Fallen Fortress
We Be Goblins
Godsmouth Heresy
Crypt of the Everflame

and soon: Murder's Mark

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Sefu Akina wrote:
Evan Whitefield wrote:
That can not be replayed. That being said you can can use the rebuild to rebuild your Barbarian into your wizard and not lose credit for playing it the first time.

Alright I will do that. If I change factions do my PP and such carry over?

Can I find a list of re-playable 1st level adventures somewhere?

Yes, PP carryover with a first level rebuild.

Any module or scenario that is listed for Tier 1 or Level 1 only are available for replay to receive credit. Scenarios that are listed as Tier 1-5 are not.

Thus far, only First Steps parts 1-3 are the only Tier 1 only scenario. Any sanctioned module listed as level 1 is also available.

Silver Crusade

Ok. Thanks all. PFS sure is more complicated than just running my own game.

I understand why but it is like a whole set of meta rules over the base rules.

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And if you've ever had players try to get away with stuff, or played under a wonky GM, imagine there are millions of those people out there, and then you'll see why so many "meta-rules" are needed. ;)

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yeah there is a little bit of a learning curve but you'll pick it up quickly. The "house rules" for PFS are summed up in the guide if you haven't downloaded it yet I highly recommend it.

Here

Silver Crusade

Jiggy wrote:
And if you've ever had players try to get away with stuff, or played under a wonky GM, imagine there are millions of those people out there, and then you'll see why so many "meta-rules" are needed. ;)

I totally understand and having played the same scenario under two different DMs I get the insistence on trying to keep things consistent. Because even though the feel of the games mechanically speaking they were the same.

Silver Crusade

Evan Whitefield wrote:

yeah there is a little bit of a learning curve but you'll pick it up quickly. The "house rules" for PFS are summed up in the guide if you haven't downloaded it yet I highly recommend it.

Here

I have read it a few times but just like going from 3.5 to PF I feel like going from PF to PFS will have all these small little changes that will crop up here and there till I finally understand them all.

Related to this how important is it that I have the PFS Field Guide? Is it a must have or does the free guide pretty much give me everything I need as a player?

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Jorg Magnus wrote:
1) Is it the case normally that the Silver Crusade is challenging or does it vary with the adventure?

As Paz said the difficulty of the missions can vary. I have seen some missions in the same scenario vary from "Finish the scenario" to "Acquire this random and hard to find object". Also the factions themselves give and idea as to the flavor of their missions. Silver crusade is big on paladins and divine casters, so their missions may include things in line with that. Not something always easy for a barbarian. Though moving forward into season 4 you can expect your faction missions to line up with the overall goal of your faction, which can be found in the subforums here

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Jorg Magnus wrote:
Related to this how important is it that I have the PFS Field Guide? Is it a must have or does the free guide pretty much give me everything I need as a player?

Core rulebook and the guide is all you need, but the field guide is definitely nice. Not just for the equipment/classes/spells in it, but also for getting a good feel on the flavor of the campaign. I'd recommend it for everyone, but you can make an efficient and sound character from just the core rule book.

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Also remember that the Field Guide is part of the Core Assumption, so content from it doesn't require bringing anything with you to the table.

Grand Lodge 5/5

PFS does assume you are familiar with the material in the Core Rulebook, the PFS Guide to Organized Play AND the PFS Field Guide.

And while you may use material from these three documents without having them at the table, you should not expect the GM to lend you his copies if you need to look something up.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Mason Whitlark wrote:
Jorg Magnus wrote:
1) Is it the case normally that the Silver Crusade is challenging or does it vary with the adventure?
As Paz said the difficulty of the missions can vary. I have seen some missions in the same scenario vary from "Finish the scenario" to "Acquire this random and hard to find object". Also the factions themselves give and idea as to the flavor of their missions. Silver crusade is big on paladins and divine casters, so their missions may include things in line with that. Not something always easy for a barbarian. Though moving forward into season 4 you can expect your faction missions to line up with the overall goal of your faction, which can be found in the subforums here

I have seen at least one scenario where my Andoran PC completed one of his faction missions without realizing he was doing so. A mix of badly written mission text, and none of us doing something our PCs wouldn't have done in any case.

I have also seen a Silver Crusade mission which asked the PCs involved to sneak around and try to "acquire" an item without anyone else finding out. While it was amusing to watch, it was a very difficult mission for the PCs involved.

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