IF I have TWR and am wielding 2 hand crossbows, and I fire and hit my target with both of my crossbows, Per RAW, I get to deal an additional 1d10 damage and 1.5 times my strength damage, that seems a little weird.
Weird, but awesome. Of course, you also need Double Slice to make that happen, which does absolutely nothing for a dual crossbow user, so you'll only see this effect if you take a dead feat in the first place.
not much different than the ranged feats that combine attacks vs. DR, etc.
you just have to fluff/visualize the feat a bit differently...
which you have to do anyways for different 2WF melee weapons.
Can you have 6 hand crossbows with shoulder straps on your person, each with a quarrel nocked, and then fire them as a Full attack action if you have 20 bab, and TWF and ITWF?
it won't give you extra attacks beyond 2WF unless you have multiweapon fighting.
it won't give you extra attacks beyond 2WF unless you have multiweapon fighting.
I don't see what the Multiweapon Fighting feat has to do with this situation. It does the same thing as Two-Weapon Fighting for anyone with 2 arms; only creatures with 3 or more arms receive an additional benefit from M.F. compared to T.W.F.
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As far as I can tell, the "6 pre-nocked hand crossbows in slings" trick works fine. Of course, it only works once, and only if your GM allows the pre-nocking.
That is so far against the intent of that feat that Gygax is probably rolling in his grave.
That is so far against the intent of that feat that Gygax is probably rolling in his grave.
Agreed. Two-Weapon Rend should have had a "melee" somewhere in there ;)
ah, i thought he meant somebody with 6 arms...
i don't think even MWF would do anything to help somebody with just 2 arms and alot of weapons :-)
to the question, you would need Quickdraw to draw the crossbows,
you need to be wielding them before firing them... but since QD lets you draw normal weapons as easily as you can draw ammo (which is fine to 2WF full attack with), i don't see why you couldn't as long as you have QD. I would just get repeating cross-bows though, maybe several so you don't have to worry about re-loading in a short-ish fight, but there is less bows to pick up later... using 1 bow has the advantage of stacking enchantments.
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I would say no, you can rend with a ranged weapon. While RAW does not restrict this feat chain specifically to melee weapons, I would think RAI is not to include ranged attacks for the following reasons:
1) Since the feat chain indicates that there is a bonus based off of STR modifier and crossbows do not utilize the PC's STR modifier, it would indicate that weapons which do not gain benefit from STR modifiers would not be affected.
2) It is Rend ... one would assume it operates in the same fashion as the the Rend ability outlined in the Bestiary ...
the rend special attack can cause tremendous damage by latching onto the opponent's body and tearing flesh.
... not sure how a crossbow bolt would fit this description.
So home game, nope, wouldn't allow it. PFS ... well, it is RAW ... but violates Common Sense and RAI ... would not allow at one of my tables until a clarification is set down
EDIT: ninja'ed by Cheapy while typing my response and getting distracted by the end of the original Flight of the Phoenix.
While I could see how this feat could work for hand crossbows (precise shooting, driving one bolt in through another pushing the other deeper) by their nature of not using Strength for damage I'd limit them to just the d10.
But even then, I'm pretty sure even that is not RAI, even if the feat should work with hand crossbows by RAW.
...which is pretty much on par with other issues, e.g. ranged cmbs,
the items/feats/archetypes which enable them don't say anything about using DEX for CMB instead of STR.
CMBs use a totally different formula for attack rolls than normal ones,
and using DEX instead of STR for ranged stuff is expressed as it's own formula,
not a modification of attack rolls (which would apply to CMB if it was done that way).
that said, using STR here is not going to be much damage for a typical X-bow specialist.