Eldritch heritage and sorcerer dip (same bloodline twice)

[TheRipper]

Eldritch Heritage wrote:

You are descended from a long line of sorcerers, and some portion of their power flows in your veins.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.
Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.

This means that a sorcerer (serpentine bloodline) can't take eldritch heritage (serpentine bloodline).

My Question: What happens if a non-sorcerer who has eldritch heritage (serpentine) takes a dip in sorcerer and selects serpentine as his bloodline?

The "cannot be a bloodline you already have" is not a prerequisite, so you don't lose access to the feat, but there is also no RAW that prevents the sorcerer to choose the same bloodline twice. What's the point in preventing a sorcerer from taking a bloodline he already has in the first place?

The whole point is that I'd like to get the bloodline arcana and the bite attack (with progression) without being a sorcerer. Is there another way to get both?

[j b 200]

It seems pretty clear that you can't do that. If you select a feat, say Power Attack, and then you lose the prerequisites for that feat, your strength is permanently reduced to below 13, you lose access to that feat and any feat that uses that as a prerequisite, cleave for instance.

I.E. If you later take a level of Sorcerer with the Serpentine Bloodline you no longer possess the requirements for the feat, so you in affect lose it.

[Aelryinth]

agreed. you'd lose the feat. Hopefully a nice DM will let you retrain it.

==Aelryinth

[TheRipper]

Like I said before:

TheRipper wrote:

The "cannot be a bloodline you already have" is not a prerequisite...

Eldritch Heritage wrote:

Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.

So you do not lose the feat, as it is part of the benefit, not a prerequisite. Like getting Spell Focus as a bonus feat for a school you already had Spell Focus in. Normally you wouldn't be able to chose it twice for the same school, but you got it as a "forced" bonus feat. They won't stack, though.

The DM will probably have no problem with me having both, I just wanted to know the RAW.

[fretgod99]

You don't lose the feat, you just make it redundant or obsolete. It's not entirely clear how the progression might work, though. It's arguable that taking both would allow you to progress the bloodline power (at CL-2 for your sorcerer level) while dipping into Sorcerer would give you the bloodline.

I don't know that I'd have a problem with letting someone essentially waste a couple of feats to get the bite attack (depending on how you're going to build on it). But RAW, I doubt you can do it. If you can't get B after you get A, because A strictly forbids it, it would seem a bit silly to say you can get B before you get A to amount to the same thing in the end.

[Quandary]

you still have the feat, it's pre-reqs haven't been violated,
simply it doesn't work anymore because the selected BL can't be one that you already have...
THUS, since that selection is no longer valid, i would say: you immediately choose another valid BL.
if there is no other BL with the same BL skill (for skill focus pre-req),
you would gain no benefit from the feat UNTIL you take another skill focus feat for other BLs.
(if you already have another skill focus feat, that would be immediately available to qualify with, of course)