Pistol sword, cane - Good idea or Trap, Really what is it.


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Pistol, Sword cane
775 gp 1d3/1d4 ×3 10 ft. 1 (5 ft.) 1 lb. B and P

A combination weapon, this gun mixes a coat pistol with a sword cane.

Benefit: The sword cane pistol is considered a double weapon for the purpose of creating masterwork or magical versions of this weapon. The pistol attachment makes the nature of the weapon a little more difficult to hide. An observer must make a DC 15 Perception check to realize that an undrawn sword cane pistol is a weapon rather than a walking stick; the DC decreases to 5 if the observer is able to handle the weapon. A sword cane pistol uses either a bullet and a single dose of black powder or an alchemical cartridge as ammunition. The sword part of the weapon must be drawn in order to load the pistol part of the weapon.

Sword Cane 45 gp 1d4/1d6 ×2 4 lbs. P

This slender light blade lies within a wooden container that serves as both its scabbard and hiding place.

Benefit: You can draw the blade from the cane as a swift action (or a free action if you have the Quick Draw feat). An observer must make a DC 20 Perception check to realize an undrawn sword cane is a weapon rather than a walking stick; the DC decreases to 10 if the observer is able to handle the weapon

So really what is this thing?

It is a combination weapon, not a real double weapon? Not really spelled out but I could see arguments to fire and stab the same round. Would the weight be 5 lbs? What would the correct cost be 775? I was thinking of having one made into mithiril. What special materials can it be made from? Darkwood? Then I guess the next question, how do you fire it? Is the handle/sword part the gun, or the scabbard part. I am thinking the pistol is the part of the scabbard. Since you have to remove it from the cane to reload it seams the muzzle must be part of the cane.

So the Sword Cane is ment to be clever DC 20 flat per is a good check, why does the added Coat Pistol remove the DC so low. Since it is infact a very small firearm.

Would it be wiser to just Sleight of hand a coat Pistol, and carry on with a regular Sword Cane.

Would this actually be a nice weapon to use, my future Master Spy wants to know. I was eyeballing the coat pistol, then really looked up on this. I am currently equipend with a bladed scarf. Then bringing up the Ezeren, cane. Would this be considered 3 serperate weapons, a cane 1d6 B a sword 1d6 P and a firearm 1d4x3 B/P?

If the UC allowed a free Coat Pistol instead of a Pistol, I would of just chosen to go with the Coat Pistol. Why wasn't the Coat Pistol ruled as a light weapon?

Any thoughts?


Personally I think that the weapon is cool and enjoyable. It really depends on what exactly you need from your weapon. For a gunslinger this is a bit more of a varied stealth weapon. if you have a weapon already that you can smuggle into most scenario's I wouldn't really recommend it, on the otherhand if you don't this isn't the worse choice available with some long range ability and the ability to poison your bullets (which will hardly be wasted given the whole hitting touch AC). I personally think it's better then the bladed scarf especially in terms of flexibility in situations you can use it in.
As for telling you about the sword cane pistol is, it's an abomination of a combination weapon although and can be made out of anything you can with the coat pistol. If you want you can make a solid argument that the weapon is actually a 1d4/1d3/1d4 as you could bludgeon someone with the cane as well (although it'd be pointless given the fact that the blade deals 1d4). As for how you'd fire it it'd be up to you to describe it flavor wise, the blade can pop out or have the gun be part of the handle with the trigger somewhere on the grip.
As for Sword Cane vs Sword Cane Pistol depends on if you are willing to spend the feat to be able to get it and take the minor damage reduction.
Sorry if this is really really late.


3 years but no valid responses means I'm glad to have the analysis on an item I didn't even know existed.

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I considered it for a swashbuckler, in order to have both a gun and a blade, and an open hand for things like slashing grace. But the lack of clear rules stopped me.


sadly lack of greatly clear rules on the most interesting weapons in the book sadly make them pretty rarely used.
Well its so hard to get profeciency too..

Such a shame all the cool weapons really are just hard to get working in any real way.


Primarily, the weapon is a firearm (coat pistol) that has the additional property that it can be used with the properties of a Sword Cane. The pistol part is likely built into the hilt of the weapon and fires from next to the blade (think Dove Bronzewing's weapon from RWBY). The weapon needs to be drawn to reload because it is muzzle-loaded. It does not function as a double weapon so you cannot TWF with it as if it were a double weapon; it is only enchanted and made masterwork as if it were a double weapon, meaning the sword part and pistol part have their own masterwork costs and enchantment costs/max bonus limits. It counts as whatever weapon you are taking advantage of at the time for interaction with rules elements. If you have Weapon Focus(Sword Cane), it only applies when making melee attacks with the sword part. If you have Weapon Focus(Coat Pistol), it only applies when using the firearm part. Only if you have Weapon Focus (Sword Cane Pistol) does it apply to both parts. Slashing Grace doesn't apply because the sword part is already a piercing weapon (like a rapier). It's probably an OK weapon that fits a niche role as semi-concealed and also allows you to threaten adjacent without occupying your other hand so you can still reload with ease. But a Musket Axe or Musket Warhammer would probably perform better for this purpose.

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