After Fighter what is the next best classes for lots of feats?


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Umm the subject kinda says it i guess. It doesn't necessarily have to have the most next to fighter, but your idea of the class with more feats and good abilities?

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Monk, Ranger, Gunslinger, 1 level dip into Alchemist, Rogue can get about 4 from talents, Sorcerer and Wizard, Inquisitor (teamwork), Cavalier...

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Wizard. You get a bonus feat every 5 levels and spells are an AWESOME ability.


Monk. By far. If you're interested in the specific feats, that is. you get 6 bonus feats, plus improved unarmed strike, stunning fist (a better version of it), and the equivalent of twf, improved twf, and greater twf, and double slice. without prereqs.


If a full BAB bonus is what you want: Cavalier.

1 free feat at 6, 12, 18
3 free teamwork feats
Plus orders USUALLY grant a feat as well
Eg Order of Cockatrice.gets Dazzling Display
Order of Shield gets Stand Still.
Total: 8

Or Ranger
Gets 6 free combat style feats (some fighter only)


Many archetypes of monk grant a crazy number of specific feats in a few levels so I'd suggest that the next highest might be either a monk archetype like Zen Archer or a multiclass with levels of monk

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That would be the Psychic Warrior.

Oh, wait, we're talkign 3.5. NM.

==Aelryinth


Aelryinth wrote:

That would be the Psychic Warrior.

Oh, wait, we're talkign 3.5. NM.

==Aelryinth

Fighter 2 / Psychic Warrior 2 was the way to go in 3.5. :)


Maerimydra wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

That would be the Psychic Warrior.

Oh, wait, we're talkign 3.5. NM.

==Aelryinth

Fighter 2 / Psychic Warrior 2 was the way to go in 3.5. :)

Well, you can always go with the Dreamscarred Press Psionic rules. Their take on the Psychic Warrior still gets all those fun bonus feats.


Chengar Qordath wrote:
Maerimydra wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

That would be the Psychic Warrior.

Oh, wait, we're talkign 3.5. NM.

==Aelryinth

Fighter 2 / Psychic Warrior 2 was the way to go in 3.5. :)
Well, you can always go with the Dreamscarred Press Psionic rules. Their take on the Psychic Warrior still gets all those fun bonus feats.

Agreed. I don't even like Psionics, but, man is that book well made...

I bought Psionics Unleashed after seeing my friend's copy. It's very well written and has solid mechanics! I particulary like the Soul Knife (which got some major buffs and is no more to the useless weakling from 3.5)

But I digress...

For extra feats, I personally love rangers, as they don't have to meet the prerequisites for their extra feats.

I dunno about the Cavalier, as I've never had any interest in the class. I don't even know if they must qualify for their bonus feats.


Lemmy wrote:
Chengar Qordath wrote:
Maerimydra wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

That would be the Psychic Warrior.

Oh, wait, we're talkign 3.5. NM.

==Aelryinth

Fighter 2 / Psychic Warrior 2 was the way to go in 3.5. :)
Well, you can always go with the Dreamscarred Press Psionic rules. Their take on the Psychic Warrior still gets all those fun bonus feats.

Agreed. I don't even like Psionics, but, man is that book well made...

I bought Psionics Unleashed after seeing my friend's copy. It's very well written and has solid mechanics! I particulary like the Soul Knife (which got some major buffs and is no more to the useless weakling from 3.5)

But I digress...

For extra feats, I personally love rangers, as they don't have to meet the prerequisites for their extra feats.

I dunno about the Cavalier, as I've never had any interest in the class. I don't even know if they must qualify for their bonus feats.

It really depends about the kind of extra feats you want to get. The Psychic Warrior has bonus "combat feat" that are not restricted to a specific list, while the Ranger can't use his bonus feat while wearing a heavy armor. The Internal Alchemist on the other hand can replace his discoveries by specific feats, but he can keep them while wearing a heavy armor.

How does the other Psionic classes compare to those found in 3.5? I already own the Expanded Psionic Handbook and I'm not sure if buying Psionics Unleashed would be worth it, since I'm not a fan of the Soul Knife to begin with. I did liked the Wilder thematically, but I found that his spell selection was too limited in the EPH.


Maerimydra wrote:

It really depends about the kind of extra feats you want to get. The Psychic Warrior has bonus "combat feat" that are not restricted to a specific list, while the Ranger can't use his bonus feat while wearing a heavy armor. The Internal Alchemist on the other hand can replace his discoveries by specific feats, but he can keep them while wearing a heavy armor.

How does the other Psionic classes compare to those found in 3.5? I already own the Expanded Psionic Handbook and I'm not sure if buying Psionics Unleashed would be worth it, since I'm not a fan of the Soul Knife to begin with. I did liked the Wilder thematically, but I found that his spell selection was too limited in the EPH.

I'd say all the psionic classes got a very nice reworking that makes the book worth getting. Psions had their disciplines expanded similar to the way wizard schools were in the Core, the Psychic Warriors get different martial paths to go along with their other goodies, and the Wilder had their surge streamlined and the penalties made less punishing. They also get a selection of different surge types that come with some other nice benefits; you'd probably be a fan of the Student's Surge, which gives you four Expanded Knowledge bonus feats. Also, Pathfinder's increased number of base feats helps the power list by offering more opportunities to take Expanded Knowledge.


Barbarian gives 1 less Feat than Fighter, IF you are interested in the "Extra Rage Power" Feat.
Rage Powers happen to out-class Feats in general, IMHO (of course, you get regular Feats as well).


I know it happened to be a very specific build, but one Oracle of Battle I made had the same number of feats as the fighter in the group at level 15. IIRC this was from taking certain revelations, and we were counting martial weapon proficiency (instead of just a single one) as a feat.


Quandary wrote:

Barbarian gives 1 less Feat than Fighter, IF you are interested in the "Extra Rage Power" Feat.

Rage Powers happen to out-class Feats in general, IMHO (of course, you get regular Feats as well).

Indeed. However, I believe that someone who seeks a class that gives you a lot of bonus feats is more interested by a particular feats chain than by the power of those individual feats versus the power of individual rage powers or discoveries. Also, rage powers, while stronger than feats, are limited in the number of times per day you can perform them, which can turn against you under some circumstances.

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I have an elven barbarian in a PbP. There is a rage power (bestial leaper) that works like Spring Attack, except its RAW let you use Vital Strike. I hope to get it eventually and combine it with enhanced speed from the elven favored class to have a speed of 50, 60, or 70, depending on my current level and magicness of my boots.


Another thing about the Monks and Rangers is that they don't have to have the prerequisites for their feats. So if there is a particular feat tree or "end feat" you want, check the bonus feat lists for different archetypes of Monks and Rangers.


Rogue gets Combat Trick, Ninja Trick (Combat Trick), and various specific feats, most notably Weapon Finesse and Weapon Focus, as talents. So you can get 1 feat per 2 levels that route. A swashbuckler Rogue can take Combat Trick one additional time, too.


but note that you can't as a rogue take a Ninja Trick that is the same name as a Rogue Trick you already have (i.e. to get a second Combat Trick) - most Rogue talents are weaker than feats.

Oracle of Battle indeed can get a lot of feats and don't forget to also consider the race you choose - many have options to get a bunch of feats (including some favored class bonuses that might be better than 1HP/1Skill point).

The new Human alternative to their bonus feat that gives you three skill focus feats over the course of the character is an interesting one for a skill focused build (and/or one that was looking at the Eldritch Heritage line of feats already so planning an early Skill Focus anyway - there is no downside for humans planning on taking a skill focus as a bonus feat from taking this new alternative racial trail - just two additional bonus skill focuses)


Ryacut: Read the Rogue talent, "Ninja Trick" and the ninja trick, "Rogue Talent" and get back to me.

Rogues can do it. Ninjas can't. Along the same lines, ninja can get advanced talents, rogue can't get master tricks. By RAW.

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