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Are dhampirs subject to turning from a cleric with the Turn Undead feat?
No, because they're not undead; they're humanoids.
But they are considered undead in regards to channeled energy.
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But they are considered undead in regards to channeled energy.
No, they are not. They are affected by the type of energy the same as undead, but they are not treated as undead, since they are living.
Negative energy heals them, positive energy harms them, but, again, only if the energy is channeled to affect the living.
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Negative Energy Affinity: Though a living creature, a dhampir reacts to positive and negative energy as if it were undead—positive energy harms it, while negative energy heals it.
While the wording is perhaps a little close, a living dhampir would not be subject to Turn Undead. Negative Energy Affinity is very clearly referencing the damaging/healing abilities of channel energy.
While Turn Undead is fueled by a use of channel positive energy, it is its own effect and specifically targets creatures of the undead type.
To turn a dhampir, show your neck.
They can't resist.
I kind of like them, family history/reunions can be all sorts of awkward.
Uncle Vlad! Er... hello.
Which reminds me of a story. It was warhammer fantasy and I was playing a knight. This poor sod was from Sylvania and had grown up concealed from the truth in a sister family to the Carnsteins. Uncle Vlad was a nice guy, so my naive character thought, we got along, he was there for every birthday. Eventually the truth came out and getting along with uncle Vlad meant I would be getting along with uncle Vlad forever. My character freaked, fled Sylvania and broke off all adornments and indicators on the family armour of origin, scrapped the heraldry and tried desperately to forget, and threw himself into adventuring. That guy was certainly not a wannabe vampire. :D
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Still seems confused. Variant Channeling seems to indicate that if use your channeling for some other effect, it only affects creatures that are affected by normal channeling.
So if you are channeling to Turn/Command Undead it seems like it would affect dhampirs.
On the other hand, they are still alive and not the undead type.
On the other other hand, negative energy affinity says they are affected by channeled energy as if they were undead.
Seems to me the answer should be yes, they are affected by alternative channeling uses. But they would not be subject to other undead weaknesses like Halt Undead or holy water.
Let me help another Darth out.
Still seems confused. Variant Channeling seems to indicate that if use your channeling for some other effect, it only affects creatures that are affected by normal channeling.
Not really. The way it reads to me is that it doesn't change the way channeled energy works, it just adds another effect, it doesn't change how that energy works with a character.
Feats and abilities that modify or present alternative uses for channeled energy (such as Command Undead and Turn Undead) work normally with these variant channeling abilities.
Regardless, read the bold. Even if it did imply that channeling this way changed how it channeling worked, it wouldn't change other abilities or how they worked.
Now, that's settled lets look at Turn Undead.
You can, as a standard action, use one of your uses of channel positive energy to cause all undead within 30 feet of you to flee, as if panicked.
You sacrifice one of your channel energies to cause them to flee. It doesn't actually involve you discharging positive energy over the area RAW. It just affects undead by creature type. And is a dahmpir undead? No, they are a living creature so they aren't even targeted by it.
But Grall, they're treated as undead! As Morgen pointed out though it's pretty clear that ability only applies to healing & damage. But even that wasn't the case and other affects were applied with the negative affinity, let us look at how channel energy works:
Channeling energy causes a burst that affects all creatures of one type (either undead or living) in a 30-foot radius centered on the cleric.
You have to target undead or living creatures. So if you were channeling positive energy normally, you'd select living creatures to heal them and accidentally hit the Dahmpir (since he's a living creature and targeted, but reacts poorly to the energy). If you target undead, you hurt all of them with your positive energy but miss the dahmpir since he's still a living creature.
Thus, assuming turn undead works even remotely like normal channel energy, this ability targets undead so the dahmpirs are fine as they are still living creatures. Okay?
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You have to target undead or living creatures. So if you were channeling positive energy normally, you'd select living creatures to heal them hitting the Dahmpir and hurting him(since he's a living creature, but reacts poorly to the energy). If you target undead, you hurt all of them with your positive energy but miss the dahmpir since he's still a living creature.
Thus, assuming turn undead works even remotely like normal channel energy, this ability targets undead so the dahmpirs are fine as they are still living creatures.
That is not how it works, see this post here.
That is not how it works, see this post here.You have to target undead or living creatures. So if you were channeling positive energy normally, you'd select living creatures to heal them hitting the Dahmpir and hurting him(since he's a living creature, but reacts poorly to the energy). If you target undead, you hurt all of them with your positive energy but miss the dahmpir since he's still a living creature.
Thus, assuming turn undead works even remotely like normal channel energy, this ability targets undead so the dahmpirs are fine as they are still living creatures.
What? That's pretty bad... And another SKR post I find myself in disagreeance with.
Regardless I stand corrected. Then they should be turned with turn undead too, which really sucks for them. Better hope your ally has selective channeling :/
That is not how it works, see this post here.You have to target undead or living creatures. So if you were channeling positive energy normally, you'd select living creatures to heal them hitting the Dahmpir and hurting him(since he's a living creature, but reacts poorly to the energy). If you target undead, you hurt all of them with your positive energy but miss the dahmpir since he's still a living creature.
Thus, assuming turn undead works even remotely like normal channel energy, this ability targets undead so the dahmpirs are fine as they are still living creatures.
What? That's pretty bad... And another SKR post I find myself in disagreeance with.
Regardless I stand corrected. Then they should be turned with turn undead too, which really sucks for them. Better hope your ally has selective channeling :/
I agree with the way SKR has it written out. That's how I've always interpreted it. I don't see anything there that says the dhampir would be hit by Turn Undead/Command Undead though. The negative energy affinity only affects how it responds to positive energy and negative energy for healing/damage, it doesn't make it be treated as undead for any other effects.
I agree with the way SKR has it written out. That's how I've always interpreted it. I don't see anything there that says the dhampir would be hit by Turn Undead/Command Undead though. The negative energy affinity only affects how it responds to positive energy and negative energy for healing/damage, it doesn't make it be treated as undead for any other effects.
If you read the rest of the FAQ that Dragnmoon was citing that from, it's pretty clear that the abilities that affect undead with channel will affect dahmpirs.
To turn a dhampir, show your neck.
They can't resist.
hahahaha! nice one
He He, my GM reincarnated me as a dhampir thinking he was messing me over by making me negative energy affinative (easy, just buy a wand of inflict wounds and stay clear of the cleric's channel energy). But then he threw us a group of succubi who lured us all in to their level draining kisses.
While the rest of my party was painfully draining levels and trying to get away from the evil allure, I was playing tonsil hockey with mine and loving every minute of it! Even after her enchantment broke I was still making out with her!!
He'd forgotten that Dhampir have (virtually) level drain immunity. Good Times! Before it was all over, she was trying to get away from MY kisses lol.
He He, my GM reincarnated me as a dhampir thinking he was messing me over by making me negative energy affinative (easy, just buy a wand of inflict wounds and stay clear of the cleric's channel energy). But then he threw us a group of succubi who lured us all in to their level draining kisses.
While the rest of my party was painfully draining levels and trying to get away from the evil allure, I was playing tonsil hockey with mine and loving every minute of it! Even after her enchantment broke I was still making out with her!!
He'd forgotten that Dhampir have (virtually) level drain immunity. Good Times! Before it was all over, she was trying to get away from MY kisses lol.
Best story ever.
I agree with the way SKR has it written out. That's how I've always interpreted it. I don't see anything there that says the dhampir would be hit by Turn Undead/Command Undead though. The negative energy affinity only affects how it responds to positive energy and negative energy for healing/damage, it doesn't make it be treated as undead for any other effects.If you read the rest of the FAQ that Dragnmoon was citing that from, it's pretty clear that the abilities that affect undead with channel will affect dahmpirs.
Ah, you're right. I was looking at the quote in the linked post, not the post linked in the linked post. I quite literally didn't read deep enough. Heh.
Oh well, that's cool too though. Umbral dragons also have negative energy affinity.
That FAQ is dated February 2012, however the second printing of the Bestiary dated May 2012 doesn't contain that change to Negative Energy Affinity. Maybe that change will show in the third printing.
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[That FAQ is dated February 2012, however the second printing of the Bestiary dated May 2012 doesn't contain that change to Negative Energy Affinity. Maybe that change will show in the third printing.
Yes it does.
During the course of that FAQ thread he adjusted it to make it more clear. The final version was added to the reprint.
Yes it does.
During the course of that FAQ thread he adjusted it to make it more clear. The final version was added to the reprint.
Plus I think it was added to the ARG(which I don't have atm so I can't confirm).